What is your opinion on the religious community's push for dominance in America?

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hoodoowytch

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I believe it to be a very bad and horrible thing. I do NOT want "christian sharia" implemented here in America, or anywhere else. I do NOT want religious loonies running the government of my country nor implementing their insanity into my life anymore than I want islam taking over. (NO, I do not capitalize either christianity or islam because neither deserve even that modicum of respect.)

America was NOT founded as a religious nation and I want religion to stay the hell out of politics and my life.
What about y'all?
 
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Thankfully, I live in a country where there is little religious influence at all. We are meant to be a Christian country but the truth is that very few people here seem to be bothered about the religion at all. That's absolutely fine by me, I don't care much for any type of organised religion.
 

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I honestly don't think we were meant to be a Christian country. Our founding fathers had a strong moral code, but they came here with the idea of religious freedom and the absence of religious persecution. The problem is that old habits are hard to kick. Religion does not belong in our political system, but morality and ethics do. These are fundamentally different things.
 

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I think we were founded more as a Humanist country than a Deist ... that the attribution of credit given to "our Creator" for our inalienable rights is just descended from--coming out of a monarchy (whose head was said to be 'appointed by God')--the Founding Fathers had to kind of 'cite their source' as being one that out-ranked the king of England.

And I guess Christians today like/need that kind of secure-ness in their lives ... the kind that comes with knowing that the 'intelligent being' with your ultimate destiny in their hands is also your daddy who loves you (possibly how Bill's-daughter-Chelsea, Dubya & Jeb, daughter Jenna and now the Obama-daughters feel).
 

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So would you prefer to be a nation built on corporate principals? It does seem to me to be what is going on these days, thats why these religious issues are being so pushed. Corporations want to dictate how families should live, what other businesses should do (or not do) and it has really crossed the lines on where one issue starts and another ends.

Case in point- Hobby Lobby and their feelings on health care rights. Are you a store or are you a religious sect pushing your values?

The other thing that confuses me is this gay rights thing. I don't care how someone wants to have sex, or who they want to live with. If they want to have a party and call it a wedding what business is that of a store, much less a state. Why would a bakery refuse a paying customer? Just don't supply the cake topper for crying out loud.
 

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Sorry to say that religion has been infiltrating the USA for hundreds of years. Every facet of our livelihood has been stapled with religious redirect. Look at our currency. It has in god we trust written all over it. God and state has been one entity for a very long time and people have not seen it yet.

I remember every morning in school we had to pledge allegiance to the United States of America. It was under god that we had to do it, while saying the verse. Back then we didn't know it, but we were being conditioned to pledge allegiance to the flag, our country, under god. What god?

I don't think there will be a massive outbreak and extremist in America. I don't think normal citizens would put up with that at all.
 

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I also think religion and politics should be kept separate. To me religion is a very personal choice if you like, and shouldn't be shoved down people's throats. Some people are not even religious at all, with some people being atheists. Going down this route could very quickly lead to alienate certain sections of the community. I too am more about promoting good morals and ethics, a sense of decency and community spirit as opposed to a "preachy" type situation heavily steeped in religion.
 

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This is why the push by the the religious right-wingers into the political arena disturbs me so. That Hobby Lobby ruling was just the beginning of a very nasty nest of vipers those supremely corrupt idiots on the supreme court opened when they made that ruling. I find it utterly detestable that it seems we are turning into a religious corporatacracy. It is a truly evil union of Big Religion and Big Business. And religion IS a business. It's a BIG, TAX-FREE business...and now it's gotten into Big Politics and Big Money. Aren't they all just gettin' to be cozy bedfellows....yes indeed-y. :shifty:

Speaking as a very eclectic witch when it comes to my personal beliefs and P.O.V., I sure as hell don't want people who think that killing gays, witches/pagans, (and this includes Hindus, Buddhists, and essentially anyone outside of the Right-winger Protestant ideology...who are lumped in together with Satanists and called "devil worshipers")... is a good thing running the country and making laws based on Dark Age ideology.

Time for all us Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans, Witches, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists and anyone else who isn't affiliated with a violent, medieval religion to get to the polls and make sure these sort don't get in and run the country.
 
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I think it's annoying to tell you the truth. Go ahead and worship God or whoever you want, but having a religion doesn't make anyone better than another person, and it shouldn't have anything to do with dominance in the country.
 

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I'm a Christian. I don't make it a point to push my beliefs on anyone. I'm not the guy that will see you in a bad spot and say "Shoulda prayed bro." I've been through some rough patches and my faith has gotten me through them. To each their own, really. I don't really appreciate all of the extremists making us all look like crazy people. Yes I believe in God. Yes I'm a Christian. No I don't think it's my duty to recruit people into my religion. I just make it a point to love others, help others and give spiritual advice to people that are SEEKING it. As far as my country, I don't know. I can't call how this place is turning out. lol I guess I'm getting old, but right now everyone looks crazy to me. lol
 

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So would you prefer to be a nation built on corporate principals? It does seem to me to be what is going on these days, thats why these religious issues are being so pushed. Corporations want to dictate how families should live, what other businesses should do (or not do) and it has really crossed the lines on where one issue starts and another ends.

Case in point- Hobby Lobby and their feelings on health care rights. Are you a store or are you a religious sect pushing your values?

The other thing that confuses me is this gay rights thing. I don't care how someone wants to have sex, or who they want to live with. If they want to have a party and call it a wedding what business is that of a store, much less a state. Why would a bakery refuse a paying customer? Just don't supply the cake topper for crying out loud.

Humans are insecure beings. Many of us cannot 'take a stand on what we think is right' unless a) there's a leader-figure that speaks 'the truth' (so that we're "jus` followin` orders") and b) there's someone 'wrong' to take a stand-against.

Corporations ARE the same thing as churches---congregations of people who uphold a set of values for the sake of possible prosperity.

HOBBY LOBBY, in my current state-of-residence (Oklahoma ... I probably went to high-school with some of their kin) has said that they made that decision based on their Christian foundation---even though 'abortion' has nothing to do with Christianity, they had to use Christianity to back their wussy 'stand.' (They denied the Health Care because they considered it tantamount to 'condoning abortion.' And--out here in 'the sticks'--most of the married men WOULDN'T be married if-abortion were common practice & -'that one night in bed with "her"' hadn't resulted in 'the ultimate responsibility.')

And 'gay rights': they don't approve of that for a lot of reasons; but basically, it's for the same reason they don't plaster profanity anywhere---they don't want it to become normal.

Sorry to say that religion has been infiltrating the USA for hundreds of years. Every facet of our livelihood has been stapled with religious redirect. Look at our currency. It has in god we trust written all over it. God and state has been one entity for a very long time and people have not seen it yet.

I remember every morning in school we had to pledge allegiance to the United States of America. It was under god that we had to do it, while saying the verse. Back then we didn't know it, but we were being conditioned to pledge allegiance to the flag, our country, under god. What god?

I don't think there will be a massive outbreak and extremist in America. I don't think normal citizens would put up with that at all.

God is not part of religion! Religions WORSHIP God, yes; but God doesn't love 'religionists' any more-or-less than 'atheists.' The god that the pledge was talking-about (maybe this sounds like 'the company-line') is merely 'whatever power citizens believe to be greater than any man (or -to be the greatest human, to atheists).'

I'm a Christian. I don't make it a point to push my beliefs on anyone. I'm not the guy that will see you in a bad spot and say "Shoulda prayed bro." I've been through some rough patches and my faith has gotten me through them. To each their own, really. I don't really appreciate all of the extremists making us all look like crazy people. Yes I believe in God. Yes I'm a Christian. No I don't think it's my duty to recruit people into my religion. I just make it a point to love others, help others and give spiritual advice to people that are SEEKING it. As far as my country, I don't know. I can't call how this place is turning out. lol I guess I'm getting old, but right now everyone looks crazy to me. lol

I believe that God is everything. That's not 'God is the most important thing,' not 'each thing is a god'; that's the fact that "all things working together" equal God (that's one way to know his will---it's "What Works with Everything Together").

That's why Jesus told us the Greatest Commandment in two ways---Love God, Love your neighbor as yourself. By doing the second, you do the first; if you do the first, you can't help but do the second.

Jesus told his disciples to make disciples of all nations; we do that not by 'hoping they accept our leadership,' but by KNOWING THAT THEY FOLLOW US if we follow faithfully.

I think it's annoying to tell you the truth. Go ahead and worship God or whoever you want, but having a religion doesn't make anyone better than another person, and it shouldn't have anything to do with dominance in the country.

Again, GOD IS NOT RELIGIOUS. "Religion" literally means 'by the books' (that's "the books" as in 'the account-balance'). "As you sow, so also shall you reap."
 
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