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Last week on KCRW’s Which Way, LA, I heard that while the national unemployment rate is about 10%, in California it’s 12.2%. Mike is correct in that we need to all become more entrepreneurial and create value for ourselves. Technology is forcing us all to evolve.
I do think we can take cues from the industrial revolution. It’ll all swing back eventually… I think on the other end of this, we’ll see some pretty amazing career options. The jobs the “robots” can’t do… yet. ;) Maybe we’re entering a creative renaissance in careers and schooling. I’d like to think so.
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signs o’ the times​
Unemployment is a trailing indicator. Also, I think we’ve had overemployment for the last couple years. By which I mean that businesses hadn’t fired enough people (or created enough new work for people) to compensate for technology-induced increases in productivity.
Put another way, in 2009 a workforce of 800 people is capable of doing the work of 1,000 people in 1999. To compensate business must either fire 200 people or create enough new work (and value) to support another 200 people. It’s as if they hired 200 new people over the last two years.
Companies are now laying off that labor excess. And they’re unlikely to hire them back without significant growth to justify it. So: those people either need to start new businesses (if no one else is creating enough value to give you a job, create your own value) or they need to get better at what they do so that they’re more employable than other people.
Either way I’m afraid that I have a pretty pessimistic outlook on the jobs market for the next few years. It’ll improve. Unemployment will decline below 10%. But I’m not sure that the absolute numbers of employed people is going to increase dramatically until people get much more entrepreneurial. People will simply lose the workforce when they find it’s increasingly hard to get a job. So unemployment numbers will go down, but it’ll effectively be an illusion.
This is an interesting challenge for policy makers. There are ways to combat this trend (not least by encouraging folks to start small and medium-sized businesses, especially ones with high failure rates but huge potential returns). I wish it was more obvious that the Obama Administration was taking this possibility seriously. Or am I just full of hot air?

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What do you think about this? Personally I don't agree at all, I see everyday, big box stores, that I think rely too much on our technological advances just so the customer can be more speedy at the cost of the everyday joe Blows job. It's much easier to hire one person to look over 3 or 4 self check outs and tell Nancy Sue to screw off. Maybe if we didn't rely on this tech and we weren't a HURRY UP I WANT IT NOW country maybe we could get more people employed. Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way....
 
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I like your POV, Dana. The big box stores lose all autonomy when they go public. The number one loyalty becomes the stockholders and how to maximize their investment. The fewer people they have to employ, the better (from the corporate point of view). It's not necessarily good or right, but it is cheap, and cheap trumps right at the moment.
 

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I like your POV, Dana. The big box stores lose all autonomy when they go public. The number one loyalty becomes the stockholders and how to maximize their investment. The fewer people they have to employ, the better (from the corporate point of view). It's not necessarily good or right, but it is cheap, and cheap trumps right at the moment.
I don't like what's going on in the employed world but isn't cutting expenses part of being a good businessperson regardless if it's big box or a small private company? Staffing is usually one of the highest cost items for any company so what better place to start.
 

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I don't like what's going on in the employed world but isn't cutting expenses part of being a good businessperson regardless if it's big box or a small private company? Staffing is usually one of the highest cost items for any company so what better place to start.
It's part of being a profitable business, to be sure. It's a smaller part of being a good businessperson. "Good" is a big word. It encompasses a lot.

I worked in the feast-or-famine business of convention & trade show support for a short while as a supervisor. During the down times my boss had to justify to the bean counters why we were keeping a full crew rather than laying some off or cutting everyone to part time. Long story short, we had people disassembling spotlights to polish lenses, and repainting shipping crates, to give them 40 hours per week rather than cutting costs and hoping we could find good help when business picked up. Good buness? That's arguable, but the families definitely appreciated the paycheck and employee loyalty was high.
 

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That's arguable, but the families definitely appreciated the paycheck and employee loyalty was high.
I understand that and am on the same side of the fence as you but in today's world there is very little loyalty anymore be it from the employee or the employer. Lean and mean seems to be the buzz words today and it won't get any better as far as the employer goes. Most employees are there for the paycheck and could give a rip about anything else.

I know when I was management I had employees that wanted to leave early if work was slow but it was rare that I let them. I needed the amount of people that I had and I needed them to look busy even if they were not. If the floor was just swept I would get 'em to sweep it again.
 

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I understand that and am on the same side of the fence as you but in today's world there is very little loyalty anymore be it from the employee or the employer. Lean and mean seems to be the buzz words today and it won't get any better as far as the employer goes. Most employees are there for the paycheck and could give a rip about anything else.
Yeh .... sad, huh?

I know so many techniques to build a cohesive team and foster a family atmosphere in the workplace, but when I worked as a management development trainer it was hard to sell the owner on the importance of it.
 

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Yeh .... sad, huh?

I know so many techniques to build a cohesive team and foster a family atmosphere in the workplace, but when I worked as a management development trainer it was hard to sell the owner on the importance of it.
Something I believe strongly in is you have to bring the point home by making sure the owner remembers what it's like to be an employee. That can be a hard sell but I have stuck my neck out and taken the chance many times. Not once did it backfire on me I'm happy to say. I was in management far longer than I wasn't and that's something I always made sure I didn't forget. I was a firm but fair individual and always made sure I wore the right hat for the person I was dealing with. In the end equality and fairness is what I tried to retain when dealing with staff and that's the message I always conveyed to my brass.
 

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Still, I think Dana's right. The future is in entrepeneurship, either starting your own business or reinventing yourself and using your talents creatively to fit the situation that arises.
 

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Still, I think Dana's right. The future is in entrepeneurship, either starting your own business or reinventing yourself and using your talents creatively to fit the situation that arises.
The concept is great and ya I think he's right but it's easier said than done in today's market. It also takes a hell of a lot of guts.
 
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