Was the animal genocide of Noah’s day justified?

[Greatest I am]

Was the animal genocide of Noah’s day justified?

Many Christian and Catholics justify the killing of the human population of Noah’s day, including the innocent children and babies as a judgment against an evil population. They were evil children and babies and are to be fodder for hell along with their parents.
I recognize that the genocide of man has been argued forever and believers have no problem with that particular genocide and I do not want to rehash that particular issue. All one need do is recognize that the notion of free will did not exist back then for the population and move on.
Having killed many animals, even by hand, and not being bothered by it, I can tell you that at a certain number, even my hard stomach and heart begins to be upset and I have to take a break from the slaughter of these food animals.
I just cannot find any justification for the slaughter of the earths animal population at the time of Noah. Some say that animals have souls the same as humans but frankly I cannot see God putting souls into what He has said is meat to us.
It cannot be said then that animals are evil because they cannot discern good and evil. Only man and God can do such.
The only reason I can think of for the slaughter and genocide of the animals is then cruelty. God could have easily spared all of them and did not.
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Humans aside.
Was God just being cruel to His perfectly created animals or is there some other motivator that I am missing?

No adding to scripture now.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

Another fairy tail. If God had wanted to make mankind pay for it's indiscretions, as the supreme power of the universe, maker of all things I imagine it would have had a much more efficient means of punishing us without having to punishing all the other species on the planet too. But if God had the supreme power and chose this method of spanking us, I'd say he gets a below average in head work and puts his morals in question now doesn't it?

 

[Greatest I am]

Another fairy tail. If God had wanted to make mankind pay for it's indiscretions, as the supreme power of the universe, maker of all things I imagine it would have had a much more efficient means of punishing us without having to punishing all the other species on the planet too. But if God had the supreme power and chose this method of spanking us, I'd say he gets a below average in head work and puts his morals in question now doesn't it?

Sure does.

God can cure and has no need to kill.
If he exists that is.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

Sure does.

God can cure and has no need to kill.
If he exists that is.

Regards
DL

What gets complex is that if we have free will, and if the Biblical God lords over us, what exactly does he want? Self improvement from self awareness or compliance because of the threat of punishment? If it is the former, then you need a very patient God willing to allow humans to develop at their own pace without fear of being whacked. And it would discredit much of what the bible teaches. It might take more than a single lifetime to get it right. But then what is "right"?

BTW, are you a Humanist? (as in American Humanist Organization)? I'm not but looking at them.

 

[Greatest I am]

What gets complex is that if we have free will, and if the Biblical God lords over us, what exactly does he want? Self improvement from self awareness or compliance because of the threat of punishment? If it is the former, then you need a very patient God willing to allow humans to develop at their own pace without fear of being whacked. And it would discredit much of what the bible teaches. It might take more than a single lifetime to get it right. But then what is "right"?

BTW, are you a Humanist? (as in American Humanist Organization)? I'm not but looking at them.

I am close to them other than the fact that I am more of a Deist with a Godhead that does not interfere.

We are basically the same in philosophy.

Regards
DL

 

[Dana]

was the genocide from the Haiti disaster justified?
was the genocide from the Asian tsunami justified?

If God exists I mean....

 

[Greatest I am]

was the genocide from the Haiti disaster justified?
was the genocide from the Asian tsunami justified?

If God exists I mean....

Nature has no intent or guilt for anything. it is nature.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

was the genocide from the Haiti disaster justified?
was the genocide from the Asian tsunami justified?

If God exists I mean....

Dana, God does not manage or control the weather or the actions of people. (Genocide in Haiti?)

 

[Hans]

Death comes to us all. From gods point of view, what would be the logic to extend his childrens stay on earth? In death, a believer of his faith (if it is real, which I believe) is finally joining with him outside of suicide.

^^^That is obviously an extreme view, but I feel that the more you consider alternative views, you can come up with a lot of justifications of God exisiting or God not exisiting. I have my faith that he is quite real. My primary argument is that if a person believes in only nature, then how did everything come to be? With every creation theory, you have something. The big bang had matter and the collapse/expand still has the universe. Where did the matter come from? Where did something come from nothing? That is not possble in our current knowledge. Other matter may change and evolve, but nothing cannot create anything. Thus, it is nothing. There had to be something there. I cannot believe that life is just a game of sorts where everything was on a gameboard and everything just got tossed around. Something divine or beyond comprehension exists and is responsible for the perfect circumstances for all of us to be breathing right now, as a species with extremely high intelligence and cognition.

 

[hart]

I've always felt the idea of a man being able to build an Ark large enuf for every species in the world, being able to gather both a male and female of each one, feed them all for forty days and forty nites, etc., is rather er.....logistically impossible.

So in my opinion never happened so no genocide.

 

[Hans]

I also feel that the extremely literal translation is missing the point of the intended message

 

[hart]

I also feel that the extremely literal translation is missing the point of the intended message

But then that's YOUR literal translation of MY message, now isn't it But yeah, I actually made a mistake and only read your answer not the original question so....good point.

 

[Greatest I am]

Death comes to us all. From gods point of view, what would be the logic to extend his childrens stay on earth? In death, a believer of his faith (if it is real, which I believe) is finally joining with him outside of suicide.

^^^That is obviously an extreme view, but I feel that the more you consider alternative views, you can come up with a lot of justifications of God exisiting or God not exisiting. I have my faith that he is quite real. My primary argument is that if a person believes in only nature, then how did everything come to be? With every creation theory, you have something. The big bang had matter and the collapse/expand still has the universe. Where did the matter come from? Where did something come from nothing? That is not possble in our current knowledge. Other matter may change and evolve, but nothing cannot create anything. Thus, it is nothing. There had to be something there. I cannot believe that life is just a game of sorts where everything was on a gameboard and everything just got tossed around. Something divine or beyond comprehension exists and is responsible for the perfect circumstances for all of us to be breathing right now, as a species with extremely high intelligence and cognition.

Yes and because we do not yet have all the answers, you think it better to buy into unproven and unfounded fantasy.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I've always felt the idea of a man being able to build an Ark large enuf for every species in the world, being able to gather both a male and female of each one, feed them all for forty days and forty nites, etc., is rather er.....logistically impossible.

So in my opinion never happened so no genocide.

I agree.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I also feel that the extremely literal translation is missing the point of the intended message

What message?

Regards
DL

 

[Dana]

BTW Noah is fairytale.

 

[Greatest I am]

BTW Noah is fairytale.

Then we have no quarrel.

My quarrel is with those who believe in it and applaud while God murders us to the point of genocide and look forward to applaud while God does it again to us at end time.

I see them as traitors to humanity.
They are also quite sick.

Regards
DL

 

[Hans]

Yes and because we do not yet have all the answers, you think it better to buy into unproven and unfounded fantasy.

Regards
DL

unfounded fantasy? Interesting choice of words. The same could be said about a great number of things. There are actually quite a few things which indicate that some of the information in the bible could be true. Ontop of the fact that billions of people want/chooes to believe it, I am not sure how it is a "fantasy". We arent talking about the tooth fairy here.

As for peoples view on God, I think that people really need to read/digest the New/Old testament and understand the history going on before they begin to make accusations.

 

[Greatest I am]

unfounded fantasy? Interesting choice of words. The same could be said about a great number of things. There are actually quite a few things which indicate that some of the information in the bible could be true. Ontop of the fact that billions of people want/chooes to believe it, I am not sure how it is a "fantasy". We arent talking about the tooth fairy here.

As for peoples view on God, I think that people really need to read/digest the New/Old testament and understand the history going on before they begin to make accusations.

And those that have know that there is much to accuse it for.

As to your tooth fairy, it is more believable than talking animals and water walkers that are God and can still die.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

As for peoples view on God, I think that people really need to read/digest the New/Old testament and understand the history going on before they begin to make accusations.

Maybe biblical history, but I question this could be called real history as in what year was that that great flood?