voting rights for "permanent resident non citizen"
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IntruderLS1
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Eh?? Where is this happening? I've been under a rock this past couple of weeks.
EmperorKupcake
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Geez. So basically, large amounts of terrorists could come into the US and disrupt the voting balance. Maybe not on a national basis, but certainly on a local and state basis.
Besides, its not that hard to get citizenship. You just have to get some forms filled out and whatnot.
"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."
- John Adams
Besides, its not that hard to get citizenship. You just have to get some forms filled out and whatnot.
"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."
- John Adams
Mexico :jk:
GuesSAngel
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I say send em' all back.
Nightflight
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It's not just forms and stuff, people. You have to have lived there for a certain amount of years, then to get your application approved is another story altogether, it's like the process of getting a visa to visit the States, which can be complex even for people who have held 10-year visas time and time again.
More detail here
Interestingly ejnough, if you have put in an application for the Green Card Lotterry, any other application will be unsucessfull.
I've had long chats about it with a politician that side who found me all the info.
I seriously doubt anyone wants to be a cotozen there merely to disrupt the voting balance, anyone willing to go through any type of complex procedure normally is trying to get away from something where they are coming from and whenn you look at most situations in the rest of the world, one cannot blame them for wanting to settle somewhere. Or should they just remain in the country as workers, contributing to a economy they may never call their own? If everyone who isn't a citizen there suddenly had to just leave, it would not be the same situation and the secularism would be very clear indeed, which according to that same politician would not be a good thing for the US internationally i.t.o. trade etc.
I suppose it's all give and take. Same as US citizens who seek citizenship elsewhere.
More detail here
Interestingly ejnough, if you have put in an application for the Green Card Lotterry, any other application will be unsucessfull.
I've had long chats about it with a politician that side who found me all the info.
I seriously doubt anyone wants to be a cotozen there merely to disrupt the voting balance, anyone willing to go through any type of complex procedure normally is trying to get away from something where they are coming from and whenn you look at most situations in the rest of the world, one cannot blame them for wanting to settle somewhere. Or should they just remain in the country as workers, contributing to a economy they may never call their own? If everyone who isn't a citizen there suddenly had to just leave, it would not be the same situation and the secularism would be very clear indeed, which according to that same politician would not be a good thing for the US internationally i.t.o. trade etc.
I suppose it's all give and take. Same as US citizens who seek citizenship elsewhere.
GuesSAngel
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IMO their country isn't our problem. If they want to settle somewhere, they should go somewhere else. There are so many illegals in the US. They shouldn't even remain in the country as workers, the govn't needs to grow some balls and tell them to get out and there is no room for them here. Because of them our country is going to be over populated with illegals. I don't care about them and where or how they will find a job and home in america. I care about my future kids and where they will live...and how they earned their right first for the fact they are americans.
There is a system in place to allow them to come in legally and by our govn't not doing anything about the illegals we might as well just take the system we have and just throw it out with the trash. What the hell good is it to have a system that isn't enforced?
There is a system in place to allow them to come in legally and by our govn't not doing anything about the illegals we might as well just take the system we have and just throw it out with the trash. What the hell good is it to have a system that isn't enforced?
Nightflight
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I suppose it all depends on if one's world is just you or the rest of the world included. I think you missed what I meant, sorry. I was talking about people who have legal residency etc who are not illegally in a country to begin with. I just pointed out that even for them becoming a citizen isn't easy. The states is easier than a lot of other countries where you have to have lived there for 7 years etc.
It's not just paperwork, as anyone who has tried the process can tell you. Every step is not just an easy step (I also blame illegal immigrants for that), and is made harder each time it's revised.
Guess, I come from SA... we have millions of Zimbabwean people flocking into SA every year, thanks to corrupt officials who take bribes from those so desperate they'd rather die than live under Mugabe, something I can understand but not condone. I know what that costs any country, as thanks to that SA has a 45% unemployment rate, which is why it's crime rate skyrocketed. Few people know how bad it really is there, or why 60+ families leave permanently per week. Those that can, that is, afford to leave, and generally that's the skill-set going out the door.
Governments are trying to save everyone but their own people, which is beyond sad. But also, trying to say only one's own country matters at all, is a biut wrong, to my view, cause we're all in this together, globally, with tons of examples that just don't ever get any attention.
Just my point of view.
It's not just paperwork, as anyone who has tried the process can tell you. Every step is not just an easy step (I also blame illegal immigrants for that), and is made harder each time it's revised.
Guess, I come from SA... we have millions of Zimbabwean people flocking into SA every year, thanks to corrupt officials who take bribes from those so desperate they'd rather die than live under Mugabe, something I can understand but not condone. I know what that costs any country, as thanks to that SA has a 45% unemployment rate, which is why it's crime rate skyrocketed. Few people know how bad it really is there, or why 60+ families leave permanently per week. Those that can, that is, afford to leave, and generally that's the skill-set going out the door.
Governments are trying to save everyone but their own people, which is beyond sad. But also, trying to say only one's own country matters at all, is a biut wrong, to my view, cause we're all in this together, globally, with tons of examples that just don't ever get any attention.
Just my point of view.
i see one big problem 45% unemployment and what would help for one thing stop having so many kids , that would not only help the country your from it would also help the enviornment .I suppose it all depends on if one's world is just you or the rest of the world included. I think you missed what I meant, sorry. I was talking about people who have legal residency etc who are not illegally in a country to begin with. I just pointed out that even for them becoming a citizen isn't easy. The states is easier than a lot of other countries where you have to have lived there for 7 years etc.
It's not just paperwork, as anyone who has tried the process can tell you. Every step is not just an easy step (I also blame illegal immigrants for that), and is made harder each time it's revised.
Guess, I come from SA... we have millions of Zimbabwean people flocking into SA every year, thanks to corrupt officials who take bribes from those so desperate they'd rather die than live under Mugabe, something I can understand but not condone. I know what that costs any country, as thanks to that SA has a 45% unemployment rate, which is why it's crime rate skyrocketed. Few people know how bad it really is there, or why 60+ families leave permanently per week. Those that can, that is, afford to leave, and generally that's the skill-set going out the door.
Governments are trying to save everyone but their own people, which is beyond sad. But also, trying to say only one's own country matters at all, is a biut wrong, to my view, cause we're all in this together, globally, with tons of examples that just don't ever get any attention.
Just my point of view.
Kstp.com
here is some info on it.
Proposed amendment would allow non-citizens to vote
A constitutional amendment introduced Monday in the Minnesota House would allow non-citizen residents to vote in local elections, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has confirmed.
The ballot measure would read: "Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to allow local units of government to authorize permanent resident non-citizens to vote in local government elections?"
The bill is sponsored by all DFLers: Rep. Phyllis Kahn, Minneapolis, Rep. Jim Davnie, Minneapolis, Rep. Carlos Mariani, St. Paul, and Rep. Frank Hornstein, Minneapolis.
More than half of 2008 voters would have to vote yes on the amendment for it to become part of the state's constitution. Illegal immigrants would not be permitted to vote under the measure.
The proposal comes after Take Action Minnesota's move to ask St. Paul city council candidates their opinions on a similar change in the city. Most legislators and the Governor have not yet expressed their opinions on this topic.
here is some info on it.
Proposed amendment would allow non-citizens to vote
A constitutional amendment introduced Monday in the Minnesota House would allow non-citizen residents to vote in local elections, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has confirmed.
The ballot measure would read: "Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to allow local units of government to authorize permanent resident non-citizens to vote in local government elections?"
The bill is sponsored by all DFLers: Rep. Phyllis Kahn, Minneapolis, Rep. Jim Davnie, Minneapolis, Rep. Carlos Mariani, St. Paul, and Rep. Frank Hornstein, Minneapolis.
More than half of 2008 voters would have to vote yes on the amendment for it to become part of the state's constitution. Illegal immigrants would not be permitted to vote under the measure.
The proposal comes after Take Action Minnesota's move to ask St. Paul city council candidates their opinions on a similar change in the city. Most legislators and the Governor have not yet expressed their opinions on this topic.
IntruderLS1
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