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Peter Parka

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It's ok, Republicans, you can come out of your bomb shelters now. :D

Obama sees US economy improving
US President Barack Obama has said that new figures on the American economy indicate progress is being made in tackling the country's problems.
The economy shrank at an annual pace of 1% in the April-to-June quarter, government figures have shown.
The data was better than expected, but marked the longest period of decline since records began in 1947.
Analysts said the data suggested the worst could be over for the economy - now in recession for a year.
Mr Obama said the figures showed that the economy was "heading in the right direction".
However, the figures for the January-to-March quarter were revised down to -6.4%. The previous estimate was -5.5%.
The revision "revealed that the recession we faced when I took office was even deeper than anyone thought at the time", said Mr Obama.
But "in the last few months, the economy has done measurably better than we had thought, better than expected", he added.
He did, however, say that there would be no recovery as long as unemployment kept rising.
The figures are worked out on an annualised basis, which reflects the change if continued at the current pace over a year.
'Worst behind us'
The figures show that the pace of contraction is slowing rapidly in the US, even more than in the UK.


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Steve Schifferes, economics reporter, BBC News The figures show that the pace of contraction is slowing rapidly in the US, even more than in the UK.
That reflects the effect of the stimulus package which has boosted government spending.
However, it still could be a number of quarters before output recovers to the level before the downturn started.
The severity of that downturn was emphasised by the downward revision of the first quarter's growth, making it one of the biggest quarterly economic drops in US history.

"We're seeing signs of stabilisation in a lot of areas of the economy, so the worst is definitely behind us," said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James & Associates.
Others were even more upbeat.
"The recession is entering its final hours. Today's report shows those green shoots are starting to grow again, and the economy is finally moving down the road to recovery," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo/Mitsubishi UFJ.
The improved economic performance in the second quarter was largely due to government spending.
However, there were still falls in investment and personal consumption.
Following the figures, White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs said: "Progress is being made but much work remains."
He said unemployment figures due out next week were likely to show that hundreds of thousands more jobs had been lost.
The data prompted the Dow Jones index to jump when trading opened, but it fell back to end the day up 17 points, or 0.2%, at 9171.61.
"The figures...may well set the tone for the next few weeks on the equity markets," said David Jones, chief market strategist at IG Index.

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Funny. About 95% of economists in THIS country say we're nowhere NEAR improvement. In fact, many factors indicate we're still sliding downward.
 

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So because it's getting worse at a slower rate, that makes it better? :24:
 

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You were expecting it to suddenly swing the other way? Surely it's got to slow down first before it moves in the right direction?
 

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You were expecting it to suddenly swing the other way? Surely it's got to slow down first before it moves in the right direction?
I'll come out of the bomb shelter when I can find a job, when Amber can find a job, when my mom can find a job, when my dad can find a job, and when my father-in-law doesn't lose his small business ;)
 

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Well, seeing how the government only figured out a few months ago the US was in a recession for the last year, I find this hard to believe.
 

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Bull market's starting guys. Check out the investment channels. Has squat to do with the "stimulus" but the market's finally starting to wake up. If Barney Frank can be stopped from reinflating the real estate bubble maybe it will continue.
 

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I'll come out of the bomb shelter when I can find a job, when Amber can find a job, when my mom can find a job, when my dad can find a job, and when my father-in-law doesn't lose his small business ;)


Pretty much!
 

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No sign of improvement in Michigan

our industry is down over 50% from 6 years ago statewide. And I think they are projecting this year will be 20% worse than last year.

With GM ready for more layoffs it is not a good time to be working around the Motor City area. It is amazing how many customers we get calls from that are out of work.

The economists said the recession would end the last quarter. But this is gonna be an long and slow and painful recovery that will probably be another 3-5 years before we can say things are improved. And even then it may be shallow as inflation will raise its ugly head to pay for the democrats follies
 

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No sign of improvement in Michigan

our industry is down over 50% from 6 years ago statewide. And I think they are projecting this year will be 20% worse than last year.

With GM ready for more layoffs it is not a good time to be working around the Motor City area. It is amazing how many customers we get calls from that are out of work.

The economists said the recession would end the last quarter. But this is gonna be an long and slow and painful recovery that will probably be another 3-5 years before we can say things are improved. And even then it may be shallow as inflation will raise its ugly head to pay for the democrats follies

I think MIchigan has more to overcome than the average State. I think the housing market will stay depressed there for a couple of years. And let's not talk about Republican follies ok? It helps the conservative-minded stay focused on trashing Dems.
 

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I think MIchigan has more to overcome than the average State. I think the housing market will stay depressed there for a couple of years. And let's not talk about Republican follies ok? It helps the conservative-minded stay focused on trashing Dems.
Detroit..... led by democrats for the last 50 years

Michigan....led by a democrat the last 6-7 years

I detect a pattern

being a conservative does not mean I am a fan of the reps by the way

both parties are trash.
 

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Detroit..... led by democrats for the last 50 years

Michigan....led by a democrat the last 6-7 years

I detect a pattern

being a conservative does not mean I am a fan of the reps by the way

both parties are trash.

Federal Govt lead by a Republican/Republican Party for the last 6.5 out of 8.5 years and lauded for the great job they did. :smiley24:
 

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Federal Govt lead by a Republican/Republican Party for the last 6.5 out of 8.5 years and lauded for the great job they did. :smiley24:
I never said they did a great job.

The spent money like liberals.

We could restore every damn program back to 1980 and there would not be a think different here IMO. And we would have a whole lot let debt to worry about.

They should have had a class back in high school on how to educate a voter. You fail it you never vote.
 

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I never said they did a great job.

The spent money like liberals.

We could restore every damn program back to 1980 and there would not be a think different here IMO. And we would have a whole lot let debt to worry about.

They should have had a class back in high school on how to educate a voter. You fail it you never vote.

Not a bad idea, except there is no guarantee those who took the class will really give a damn about how they vote, if they bother to vote at all. Still, it might have an impact if you can figure out a way to make people realize that who is elected and represents them in government has a huge impact on their lives.

I see a problem here for a lot of us. We have a view of what government should be, then we look at the available choices, and pick the one closest to our philosophy but still those are compromises, and frequently we end up disappointed.

Now I have no idea if this might really make a difference, and I know the national political parties are dead set against it, but I support Instant Runoff Voting. What it means is that you pick your top 2 or 3 choices, prioritized for elected office. So I might choose, Ron Paul 1st, Obama 2nd. In this way if Ron does not win, my vote shifts to Obama. I can choose based on my convictions versus choosing among who I think has a chance of being elected, sometimes considered the lesser of available evils. They have been experimenting with this idea in lower level elections in the Minneapolis area. It could not hurt, maybe even help in some cases.
 

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I still say until you remove money from the equation everything is doomed to fail. Public financing will end the need to spend so much time fund raising. And will make it a more level playing field because an incumbent almost always has a huge fund raising advantage
 

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I've become convinced of the need for term limits. It's simply not true that people will vote bad apples out because of that old saying "better the devil you know than the devil you don't." A part will always back their incumbent, and it is in the best interest of a contributor to back the incumbent because of the seniority system. The longer a politician stays in, the more powerful he is. Who wants a weak legislator? Term limits will force the door open.
 

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The Bailout Bonanza- interesting read at Newsweek for those who are certain government can do nothing right.

And yet. As we approach the anniversary of the Great Panic, some of the investments are clearly paying off in ways you and I can comprehend. The final cost of TARP will be a fraction of the original $700 billion, and taxpayers are turning a profit from its central component: the Capital Purchase Program.

The spreadsheets at financialstability.gov document the status of the 667 investments, worth $204.4 billion, made under the CPP. Morgan Stanley, which borrowed $10 billion in October 2008, paid back the cash in June and purchased the warrants for $950 million on Aug. 12, giving taxpayers a 12.7 percent return, according to SNL Financial. For the 22 companies that have bought back shares and warrants, the taxpayer received an annualized return of 17.5 percent—better than most hedge funds have done lately. (Another 15 have repaid part or all of the principal.) Since many of the largest financial institutions have left the program, the 37 "exits" represent 34 percent of the total cash initially disbursed. The bottom line: taxpayers have received $70.3 billion in principal, plus about $10 billion in dividends and warrant payments. This money goes back into the Treasury's general fund, while the CPP continues to dole out cash to little banks. On Aug. 21, AmFirst Financial Services in McCook, Neb., received $5 million. Today, 633 banks owe $134.2 billion.
 
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