This does not happen in America..

[mazHur]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/iran-parents-halt-killer-execution


but what happened next marked a rarity in public executions in Iran, which puts more people to death than any other country apart from China. The victim's mother approached, slapped the convict in the face and then decided to forgive her son's killer. The victim's father removed the noose and Balal's life was spared.

 

[porterjack]

Restorative Justice
Dressed up for the western media
Nothing more nothing less

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[mazHur]

No, such pardons are permitted by Sharia.

 

[porterjack]

You make the point that sharia is wrong
No God would endorse a lack of forgiveness

Only man seeks bloody revenge

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[mazHur]

You make the point that sharia is wrong
No God would endorse a lack of forgiveness

Only man seeks bloody revenge

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I didn't say Sharia is wrong.,..although it is very strict in matters of enforcement of law and justice.

 

[porterjack]

Ok i say it is wrong
God forgives
His law should accommdate

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[The Man]

No, such pardons are permitted by Sharia.

Incredible.
So he kills a man....is ready to be executed and someone comes up and slaps him then spares his life.
The law was broken...its not up to the mother to decide if the guy should be punished.
Hell she may have been the one to have put him up to it for all we know.
That does not happen in America....

 

[mazHur]

Incredible.
So he kills a man....is ready to be executed and someone comes up and slaps him then spares his life.
The law was broken...its not up to the mother to decide if the guy should be punished.
Hell she may have been the one to have put him up to it for all we know.
That does not happen in America....

According to Sharia it is permissible for parents to forgive a killer.....with or without conditions.
You will recall that Raymond , the American Blackwater spy shot dead two people in Pakistan but escaped death penalty at law after being forgiven by the victim's parents upon payment of blood-money. If sharia wasn't there you would have lost that poor Amaricaan .......
Islam stands for forgiveness and justice. It's another thing that most Muslims do not follow the tenets of their faith in letter and spirit. Therefore, you are not justified to view all Muslims with one eye!! NO.

 

[mazHur]

Ok i say it is wrong
God forgives
His law should accommdate

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You are simply ignorant.....sorry, can't help it.

 

[mazHur]

read this article, though old, but enough to give you some idea about the American spy killer..you can google for more info about him and the pardon he got by victims parents for his release


> > How a Single Spy Helped Turn Pakistan Against the United States** > Photo illustration from photographs by Arif Ali/AFP, via Newscom (left) > and Douglas County sheriff’s office (right). > ** By MARK MAZZETTI<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/mark_mazzetti/index.html> New > York Times** Published: April 9, 2013 231 Comments<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/magazine/raymond-davis-pakistan.html?pagewanted=9&_r=4&smid=tw-share&&pagewanted=all#commentsContainer>

 

[The Man]

According to Sharia it is permissible for parents to forgive a killer.....with or without conditions.
You will recall that Raymond , the American Blackwater spy shot dead two people in Pakistan but escaped death penalty at law after being forgiven by the victim's parents upon payment of blood-money. If sharia wasn't there you would have lost that poor Amaricaan .......
Islam stands for forgiveness and justice. It's another thing that most Muslims do not follow the tenets of their faith in letter and spirit. Therefore, you are not justified to view all Muslims with one eye!! NO.

According to Sharia it is permissible for parents to forgive a killer.....with or without conditions.

Forgiving is fine...however she decided he should not be punished.
Since when does she speak for the dead?...that is the purpose of the law.
As said she may have been in on it for all we know or accepted a bribe later.
While noble of her yes...it has a no place is criminal cases.

 

[porterjack]

You are simply ignorant.....sorry, can't help it.

Expand please How can God's forgiveness based on universal love be wrong

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[mazHur]

Forgiving is fine...however she decided he should not be punished.
Since when does she speak for the dead?...that is the purpose of the law.
As said she may have been in on it for all we know or accepted a bribe later.
While noble of her yes...it has a no place is criminal cases.

Sharia is very strict....only parents of a victim can forgive the killer ...conditionally or unconditionally. But this does not usually happen but when it happens it stops future vengeance and vendettas in future between the two parties.

blood money is not bribe,,,,it's compensation.....and allowed by Islam.

Quran says: Take eye for an eye tooth for a tooth but do not transgress ,,best is to forgive. (not exact line though)

I think you ought to sit with a Muslim cleric or perhaps Mohammad Ali Clay to get lessons on Islam and Sharia....


You remarks are nothing but shadow of your mind over clouded with dinnings of your culture ......

 

[mazHur]

Forgiving is fine...however she decided he should not be punished.
Since when does she speak for the dead?...that is the purpose of the law.
As said she may have been in on it for all we know or accepted a bribe later.
While noble of her yes...it has a no place is criminal cases.

Sharia is very strict....only parents of a victim can forgive the killer ...conditionally or unconditionally. But this does not usually happen but when it happens it stops future vengeance and vendettas in future between the two parties.

blood money is not bribe,,,,it's compensation.....and allowed by Islam.

Quran says: Take eye for an eye tooth for a tooth but do not transgress ,,best is to forgive. (not exact line though)

I think you ought to sit with a Muslim cleric or perhaps Mohammad Ali Clay to get lessons on Islam and Sharia....


You remarks are nothing but shadow of your mind over clouded with dinnings of your culture ......

 

[mazHur]

Expand please How can God's forgiveness based on universal love be wrong

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So you do believe in God,,,good.

Jesus is not responsible for the sins of Christians, nor did he die on the Cross to take over sins of his Believers. that is nonsensical,..no one does that and why should He done it or why God would make his Son scapegoat for the sins of others??


Universal brotherhood is only the hallmark of Islam...no other religion of the world approves of such a goodwill.
God is all merciful and loving but according to Muslims humans are his image and have certain privileges given them by Allah, such as one can pardon the killer...
other Quran punishments are ''cut the hands and feet of a thief''....(not exact words)

You will appreciate that in Saudia where Sharia in some form is practiced all shops loaded with precious stuff including gold and diamonds are left open and unattended at the time of prayers and no one dares to steal anything from there.
If Sharia is imposed in America or Canada you won't have to guard your property from thieves or thugs....Sharia will automatically take care of it and redress you.

No one, not even parents of a thief, can get him a pardon. It is only in case of murder that victims parents have the legal right to grant pardon to the killer...
This is evidently a manifestation of God's love for his children or servants as Muslim normally call themselves...

 

[mazHur]

Here is some info i googled for your convenience...

http://grace-and-truth.org/USA-Sharia7-PunishmentsOfIslam.htm

This is exactly what the Taliban want to enforce in their areas but there is a condition for that, viz, they must first create a pure Islamic Welfare State. Without the existence of such a state these laws may not apply.

 

[porterjack]

I will reply to this later

I take exception with the opening few statements

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[mazHur]

I will reply to this later

I take exception with the opening few statements

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fine....you will like the observations of the author who is a Christian and anti-Islam.

 

[porterjack]

fine....you will like the observations of the author who is a Christian and anti-Islam.

I meant your statement not the subsequent link

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[The Man]

Sharia is very strict....only parents of a victim can forgive the killer ...conditionally or unconditionally. But this does not usually happen but when it happens it stops future vengeance and vendettas in future between the two parties.

blood money is not bribe,,,,it's compensation.....and allowed by Islam.

Quran says: Take eye for an eye tooth for a tooth but do not transgress ,,best is to forgive. (not exact line though)

I think you ought to sit with a Muslim cleric or perhaps Mohammad Ali Clay to get lessons on Islam and Sharia....

You remarks are nothing but shadow of your mind over clouded with dinnings of your culture ......

Sharia is very strict....only parents of a victim can forgive the killer

I understand that..the problem is not forgiveness it is the "pardon" of the crime of murder.
A murderer is punished as to keep him from society or to teach a lesson..A free pass is not a deterrent for a crime.
As said it is very noble of the mother....but she can not speak for the dead that is the purpose of the law.

As far as blood money...who would want it..if someone killed a member of my family then offered money to make it go away..I would probably spit in their face.