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good that you've come to know now....
Maz its a global effort...people got sick of terrorism.
Should we have just let them continue as they wish?
If you guys dont like the war then crater the taliban areas
Cut off supplies....all supplies.
Israel will bomb em for you just ask.
 

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Maz its a global effort...people got sick of terrorism.
Should we have just let them continue as they wish?
If you guys dont like the war then crater the taliban areas
Cut off supplies....all supplies.
Israel will bomb em for you just ask.


We too are sick and tired of terrorists..
Supplies can't be cut as they snatch even Nato containers,,,or blow them off.
they are kinda fighting guerela warfare with light weapons in a very difficult terrain..
they are tough people, tribally controlled and have nothing to lose except their lives.
Because they are foolish Muslims the do tend to win sympathy of some other ignorant Muslims...whenever innocent people get killed by default.
This is counter-productive and this effect will grow if the war continues.

Taliban are not liked by masses here ...they have Saudi version of Islam which is too fundamentalist and by the book...
We are used to liberal Islam and I never saw such fundamentalist and sectarian hatred and killing all through my life ....there were night clubs, wine shops around every corner, a red lite area,,,,,,and above all Peace. One could go anywhere at any time of the day or night.

But the point here is addressing Taliban's grievances. If they want Saudi type of Islam in their land let them...just as Kamal Ataturk of Turkey did,( he ended war against the Arabs by returning them occupied Arab lands and sticking to his own)

There are a handful of people who voice for liberalism but on the whole religious element is very strong....and I don't think liberalism or secularism will see the light of day here...


then there is international politics which doesn't want peace,...
With peace all around who will sell his arms to whom??

Israel may be strong but any aggression by it on Pak could turn into a fireball leading to WWIII!!
 

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You are talking about negotiating with terrorists...which you have already done.
Now they want more.
Kill em.
 

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Why can you not strike them from the air?
Problem is your own govt and militairy has to many taliban supporters ...dont blame it on the west and the war..by doing such shows that your people are essentially terrorists sympathizers.
 

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Why can you not strike them from the air?
Problem is your own govt and militairy has to many taliban supporters ...dont blame it on the west and the war..by doing such shows that your people are essentially terrorists sympathizers.


dude, Pak army is already bombing them from the air as well!

More than Pak soldiers lost their lives fighting your proxy war in Afghanistan.

We are NOT with the terrorists...local or foreign but people here don't like America occupying their lands....and coming here to kill innocent men, women and children.

Afghan war is Not our war,,,,,,,if it were ours you wouldn't be here.

You are infact asking for Pak help to enable your soldiers to sneak out of the war territories safely,,ie they want safe exit.

It is Pak which allows NATO to route its supplies through its land...

How ingrate you people are!!!
 

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You are talking about negotiating with terrorists...which you have already done.
Now they want more.
Kill em.


Taliban have been facing super power like the US and its allies combined ...
and they have 'defeated' them and made them retreat.

more than 12 years of warring has brought nothing but chaos and wider disturbance in the world...

War is bad .....trying to get peace through negotiatons is not bad...and nego are Not without the consent of the principal party, the US..they can't be...
 

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Perhaps nuke em?
I am against nukung but its a just a matter if time before the jihads acess your weapons..why not beat em...kinda suck being *shot with your own gun* wouldn't it?
Maybe slip some sheep with sexual disease as gift to them?
You do know the map you showed was dishonest correct as it showed only afew square miles..with the truth the map I showed which has several hundred square miles of taliban.
You are not claiming your millions of people can not kill off a few square miles of people are you?
Or are you ready to admit that pk is a terrorist haven of several hundred square miles
 

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Perhaps nuke em?
I am against nukung but its a just a matter if time before the jihads acess your weapons..why not beat em...kinda suck being *shot with your own gun* wouldn't it?
Maybe slip some sheep with sexual disease as gift to them?
You do know the map you showed was dishonest correct as it showed only afew square miles..with the truth the map I showed which has several hundred square miles of taliban.
You are not claiming your millions of people can not kill off a few square miles of people are you?
Or are you ready to admit that pk is a terrorist haven of several hundred square miles


If it was so easy NATO wouldn't have been here scratching its balls.

the area I posted was picked from the web,,,and in fact it is Waziristan, the nuclear spot of Taliban where even NATO fears to tread.

Nuking may sound a good idea but who will be responsible for killing innocent men, women and children living there under fear from Talibs???

War is no fantasy...it's a Man's job to fight his own war and stop shifting the blame to others...

The small area is like hornet's nest..You disturbed it and now you are going to mend.
Why don't you come here and fight and kill the Talibans??
 

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Man lost in space?

America – Lost in Space
By Jocelynn Smith, Managing Editor



Has Russia kicked off a new space race?

It only makes sense considering that we’ve entered a new Cold War. (Or is it the start of Cold War II? I’m sure the experts are still working that out.)

Earlier this week, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin announced that the United States would be banned from the International Space Station (ISS) after 2020. Furthermore, America is no longer allowed to import Russian RD-180 rockets, which are used (ironically enough) to put military satellites into orbit.

Rogozin’s announcement follows another round of U.S. sanctions against Russian companies and officials because of the crisis in Ukraine. Of course, the decision to place these bans against the U.S. smacks of silly schoolyard pouting — “if you aren’t going to play my way, I’m just going to take my toys and go home.”

But all in all, there are some eerie similarities to 1961, when the first space race gathered some propulsion. At that time, the U.S. was breaking free of a recession and the economy was attempting to bounce back while President Kennedy was locked in a battle of wills with Russian President Nikita Khrushchev. And in 1961, we were losing the space race to Russia.

Back then, Kennedy used the call to put a man on the moon to pull together a fractured and frightened nation, driving them toward a single goal under the banner of freedom and duty.

Turning to present day, the U.S. is again breaking free of a recession and the economy is slowly trying to climb back toward good health, while President Obama is attempting to stand toe-to-toe with a Russian premier – this time, Vladimir Putin. Once again, we are lagging Russia in the space race, because we can’t even retrieve our astronaut Steven Swanson from the ISS.

In 2014, we are a fractured nation, but more so, thanks to the actions of our own government — namely privacy violations and attempts at wealth confiscation. We can’t blame outside forces, such as threats from the economically struggling Russia. Obama can hardly use the rally cry of protecting freedom when his government is the biggest threat and too many have lost a sense of duty to a country that cannot build an economy strong enough to employ them, while at the same time betraying their trust.

If we are indeed entering the second round of the space race, the odds of the U.S. winning again do not look good.

Regards,
Jocelynn Smith
Managing Editor
 

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They say 15000 only In Waziristan where the operation is being conducted ...so??
Thats just one area...what about the total for all of pk.
But yet...dont you think that 15 k is just one district is a shit load of terrorists...sounds like a terrorist haven.
Why not eliminate them maz?....why should we have to drone them?
 

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If it was so easy NATO wouldn't have been here scratching its balls.

the area I posted was picked from the web,,,and in fact it is Waziristan, the nuclear spot of Taliban where even NATO fears to tread.

Nuking may sound a good idea but who will be responsible for killing innocent men, women and children living there under fear from Talibs???

War is no fantasy...it's a Man's job to fight his own war and stop shifting the blame to others...

The small area is like hornet's nest..You disturbed it and now you are going to mend.
Why don't you come here and fight and kill the Talibans??
No such thing as an innocent terrorist maz...why are you concerned for them?
 

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Thats just one area...what about the total for all of pk.
But yet...dont you think that 15 k is just one district is a shit load of terrorists...sounds like a terrorist haven.
Why not eliminate them maz?....why should we have to drone them?


Man, try to understand. Taliban are a different ethnic race; they speak different language, have diff customs and culture; are almost nomads, are mostly poor relying on smuggling goods to and from Iran and Afgh and Pak ; handle guns like the cowboys handle slings ; live in the most dangerous of terrains; are skilled in guerrilla warfare; make and repair their own bombs, arms and ammunitions; are very secretive and clever; are mountainous people having remarkable endurance; are very possessive and ruthlessly vengeful; are inclined towards religion; keep their women indoors under strict purdah; have their own tribal rules and laws and their judgments are made by their own jury; denounce constitution of Pak;are mostly illiterate or uneducated; .. ..etc

On top of this they were trained by America itself and termed as Mujahideens ( or those who conduct Jihad) to fight against USSR whom they drove away with the assistance of Pak. After the war was over and Ruskies gone America ditched them..........I guess America did not pay them?? Consequently the started grouping together as Taliban and attained power to grab control ...and rule Afghanistan. Then enters OBL ....as he had the same vision as Taliban or more...He was hailed by the Taliban who took him in their fold as a guest......
Then happens 9/11 ......and the world history takes a turn..

Do you think it is easy to catch and kill such bunch of terrorists?? No...because there are civilians too living in their areas and if you bomb them indiscriminately innocent people will also be killed/

In the aftermath of war on terror the Taliban scattered and formed a group in Pakistan as well.....they won sympathies of some fundamentalists by posing innocence in that America was the oppressor and occupier of their lands and wants to usurp their resources etc and that America wants to destroy Islam. This had added fuel to the fire...
Pak is basically a Muslim nation but not all support the Taliban,,,who are mostly polarized up north and south west border areas of Pak. But it is true they have also infiltrated other places secretly....


Our military is bombing their dens ....and destroying them mainly depends on good intelligence...to avoid civilian casualties...otherwise it could be a minutes job to eradicate them.

I know there have been differences between CIA and ISI and that must have led to some confusion....and lack of mutual trust but it should be acknowledged that Pak is playing a pivotal role in the war against terrorists alongside NATO and to blame Pak for America's failure is not correct...

There is a political row against the presence of NATO in Pakistan and some of our politicians want America to quit and let Pak handle its problem on its own..
Wonder why America is insistent on sticking to Afgh and Pak??? but surely it must be having some reason.
 

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No such thing as an innocent terrorist maz...why are you concerned for them?


Innocent civilians are not terrorists....
I am not concerned for the terrorists...take them all and screw them in Gitmo but leave the innocent civilians, men , women and children alone.
 

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Man, try to understand. Taliban are a different ethnic race; they speak different language, have diff customs and culture; are almost nomads, are mostly poor relying on smuggling goods to and from Iran and Afgh and Pak ;
Being a different race is irrelevant as to whether one is a terrorist or not...nor finances

handle guns like the cowboys handle slings ; live in the most dangerous of terrains; are skilled in guerrilla warfare; make and repair their own bombs, arms and ammunitions; are very secretive and clever; are mountainous people having remarkable endurance; are very possessive and ruthlessly vengeful; are inclined towards religion; keep their women indoors under strict purdah; have their own tribal rules and laws and their judgments are made by their own jury; denounce constitution of Pak;are mostly illiterate or uneducated; .. ..etc
Is this why you support them as you admire the determination they have...To be honest you actually are only re enforcing why they need to be extinguished..as these talents are only the result of motive of violence

On top of this they were trained by America itself and termed as Mujahideens ( or those who conduct Jihad) to fight against USSR whom they drove away with the assistance of Pak
Old news...yes we used your freaks..but now your freaks have gone to global terror

Consequently the started grouping together as Taliban and attained power to grab control ...and rule Afghanistan.
War crimes..greed..you have also just shown..that your 15 k for terrorists is a fucking lie..you dont take over a nation with 15 k with small arms.

Then enters OBL ....as he had the same vision as Taliban or more...He was hailed by the Taliban who took him in their fold as a guest......
Then happens 9/11 ......and the world history takes a turn..

Thanks..you have just supported a statement I made on a prior occasion.


Do you think it is easy to catch and kill such bunch of terrorists?? No...because there are civilians too living in their areas and if you bomb them indiscriminately innocent people will also be killed/

Anyone living with terrorists by free will is a terrorist..you dont go hang out with terrorists maz with drones overhead.
If you live on the land that pk sectioned off for terrorists you are a fucking terrorist..you think the terrorists will say let me go pitch a tent there,,,get fucking real maz...if you are there its because you are one of them..unless you have been kidnapped.
Even if "others" were there fuck em...if you choose to go live on a terrorist reservations provided by the govt then expect to be treated like one...There is a goddamn war on terror..why in the fuck would anyone choose to go live on a terrorist reservation with a war going on.


In the aftermath of war on terror the Taliban scattered and formed a group in Pakistan as well.
There were already groves of the fruits in PK ..the Taliban and your official army were going around fucking afg..your fucking official army is god damn terrorist organization as well as they were side by side with the taliban to fuck over afg..PK is a greedy ass radical nation which wants afg under the control of the taliban rather than afg have its own govt.
You slimey ass cock suckers use the taliban as to call it "rougue" control of afg rather than being under control of Pk as to avoid declarations of war...Fucking pussies.

...they won sympathies of some fundamentalists by posing innocence in that America was the oppressor and occupier of their lands and wants to usurp their resources etc and that America wants to destroy Islam. This had added fuel to the fire
Bull shit...anyone that sides with terrorists with a war on terrors is a fucking terrorist,,,additionally we didnt try to destroy islam..we left sharia law in place..left the culture in tack...just run you bastards out as to give afg back to its people rather than a terrorist training ground for PK


Pak is basically a Muslim nation but not all support the Taliban,,,who are mostly polarized up north and south west border areas of Pak. But it is true they have also infiltrated other places secretly.

The fucking numbers are huge as to the taliban supporters...hell your own govt supports them...you have a two faced govt..you send in a few troops to get slaughtered here and there..while the higher in command tells the taliban they are coming...you are some real sick fucks




Our military is bombing their dens ....and destroying them mainly depends on good intelligence...to avoid civilian casualties...otherwise it could be a minutes job to eradicate them.
LOL...you bomb empty fields
If you wanted to kill them you would kill them...but use the excuse of innocent people..there are no innocent terrorists maz

I know there have been differences between CIA and ISI and that must have led to some confusion

No confusion we found out you were warning the taliban of US plans..and your own army tipping them when your army went in so they could be slaughtered as well.
Now we drone...and say fuck you..we bomb your people if you dont like it tough shit.
Its gonna get nasty MAZ..it really is...it will end up being a ww3 before its over.
We will incinerate your asses as there will be no PC bullshit as with these slap droneings ...we have a larger navy that all you little fuckers put together.
We can lite up the entire mideast from space maz..and thats just us..as soon as PK Iran or one of the other shit holes fuck up bad enough its game on,,china may jump in..which would be sad as I hate to see em get hurt.






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Dont get me wrong maz...its not what I want..but it is what the Mideast is driving it to.
And when it gets nasty...a strong message will be sent ...if we feel our war resources are becoming limited we will hit hard very hard until there is a submission by the offenders ...if any enemy troops set foot in the usa and intentionally harm our citizens it will be suicide for that offending nation....If a nuclear war head hits the states...I can promise you the offending nation will be begging to surrender within 12 hours of such
 
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