The Watch Analogy

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When I was studying religion at school, I remember my teacher telling us his reasoning as to why there must have been a creator. It went something like this:

"Imagine the world as a mechanical watch. All of the different components that make it possible for life on Earth represent the different cogs and springs that make the watch able to keep time.

Imagine trying to make that watch from it's component parts by holding them in your hand and throwing them onto the floor in front of you. What do you suppose the chances would be of all the pieces landing in the correct places so that the watch is fully functional.

Imagine the amazing odds of the same thing happening to Earth. For all of the necessary parts that make our lives possible to have all happened by complete chance. It's probably even larger than the chances of the watch forming."


For some reason I was thinking of this last night. And whilst my impressionable 13 year old brain couldn't refute this simple analogy, now it seems incredibly flimsy. In dissecting the statement I discovered an interesting truth about religion.

Ok so the analogy is very intellectually flawed. What the analogy is doing is taking the current situation (our existence) and then jumping back to out pre-existence and working from that point to work out how we got here with one simple experiment, without looking at a single thing that happened in between.

It would be the same as showing a layman a fully built car, then giving him all of the components of that car in a pile and then expecting him to put it all together. That simply wouldn't happen as the person would have no idea which bits went where.

And this is what religion has done. It's taken our current state of existence, then jumped back to pre-existence in the hope of understanding our existence. This is not only an impossibility, but a very flawed tactic indeed.

Back to our car. Now, if you were to let the person take the finished car to pieces, bit by bit, logging every item he finds, remembering where it goes, learning about it's function within the car, by the time the person is left with the pile of bits that make up the car, he would have a pretty good understanding of how a car works, and furthermore, he'd be able to rebuild the car exactly how he found it.

And this is what science has done. It has slowly reverse-engineered our universe, uncovering more of it with each new discovery, and fully understanding the mechanics of how it works and how it came to be.

This really is the difference between the two methods of understanding. And the religious method simply can never work, you can never gain any insights into the universe through that flawed technique. This is perhaps why the supernatural has to be involved, because without being able to recreate the steps necessary to get to the point where we are at, it's pretty much the only conclusion you could draw.

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There are hundreds of thousands of planets out there which have no life on them whatsoever, so it's not so much amazing engineering from a higher being as it just about understanding probabilities. Earth can support life but there are a ton of planets out there that don't. We got lucky and hit that one in a million chance of excellent conditions for life, they didn't.

If there is a God who designed Earth, why the hell did he surround us with completely inhospitable planets anyway? What, were they practice runs?

This whole idea that the world is so complicated it can't possibly have just just evolved that way is so flawed. I've heard similar stories about eyeballs as well - by golly they're so complex, no way did they just happen to like that! Well, they didn't, it took millions of years. Some people make it sound like we think evolution took place in an afternoon.
 

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There are hundreds of thousands of planets out there which have no life on them whatsoever, so it's not so much amazing engineering from a higher being as it just about understanding probabilities. Earth can support life but there are a ton of planets out there that don't. We got lucky and hit that one in a million chance of excellent conditions for life, they didn't.

If there is a God who designed Earth, why the hell did he surround us with completely inhospitable planets anyway? What, were they practice runs?

This whole idea that the world is so complicated it can't possibly have just just evolved that way is so flawed. I've heard similar stories about eyeballs as well - by golly they're so complex, no way did they just happen to like that! Well, they didn't, it took millions of years. Some people make it sound like we think evolution took place in an afternoon.

It seems to me, that given the laws that govern the universe and sufficient time, life was actually inevitable. Chances are, it's happening elsewhere in other forms too.
 

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It seems to me, that given the laws that govern the universe and sufficient time, life was actually inevitable. Chances are, it's happening elsewhere in other forms too.

I read that as 'other forums' at first and thought 'boy that's arrogant, what a god complex this place must have!'

I agree, it's like that saying about the monkeys the typewriters. Given enough time, all kinds of permutations are possible.
 

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I read that as 'other forums' at first and thought 'boy that's arrogant, what a god complex this place must have!'

I agree, it's like that saying about the monkeys the typewriters. Given enough time, all kinds of permutations are possible.

Oh, this place certainly has it's moments...

Well extending the monkeys at the typewriter scenario a little bit because the natural laws of the universe permit life so well, so it would be more akin to the monkey's being able to speak english too.
 
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Thoughts?

Good post, bad analogy. :)

There are hundreds of thousands of planets out there which have no life on them whatsoever, so it's not so much amazing engineering from a higher being as it just about understanding probabilities. Earth can support life but there are a ton of planets out there that don't. We got lucky and hit that one in a million chance of excellent conditions for life, they didn't.

If there is a God who designed Earth, why the hell did he surround us with completely inhospitable planets anyway? What, were they practice runs?

This whole idea that the world is so complicated it can't possibly have just just evolved that way is so flawed. I've heard similar stories about eyeballs as well - by golly they're so complex, no way did they just happen to like that! Well, they didn't, it took millions of years. Some people make it sound like we think evolution took place in an afternoon.

Great response! :)
 
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