The Tipping Point (part 1)

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The single biggest problem facing the human race today is of growth: growth of population and growth of consumption of the finite resources we have on Earth.

Whilst the MSM paints lovely pictures for us of a seemingly endless supply of resources, the mathematics they spout, when investigated, are utter nonsense. As a species, we're obsessed with growth. Economic growth is our God. People even refer to growth as stability. "the economy has a stable 5% growth rate." It's what we're told from above that is good. Growth is what we strive for.

I'd like to share something with you all, regarding first our population growth and second our energy consumption. It's taken from Dr. Albert A. Bartlett's lecture on "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy" which I posted some time ago.

Imagine we have a bottle and there's a single bacterium inside. The bacteria double every minute. We start with the single bacterium at 11am and at 12pm the bottle is full. The bacteria has a steady growth rate (the doubling time of 1 minute).

At what point is the bottle half full?

11:59am. Only one minute before the bottle is completely full.

So the question is, at what point would a bacterium in the bottle realise they are running out of space? At 11:58? 11:57? 11:56? at 11:55, the bottle would only be 1/32nd full (~3%)... at that point, five minutes from the filling point, would the bacteria really see themselves running out of room?

The doubling time of the human race is currently at 53 years (1.3% growth). What does that mean for the future of the human race?

Well, in just 780 years, the world population would grow to a density of 1 person for every square metre of dry land on earth. in 2,400 years, the mass of the people on the planet would equal the mass of the planet itself.

Scary stuff. We're fastly approaching 11:59am and we have absolutely no idea how close we are to running out of space.

Isaac Asimov said: "Democracy cannot survive over population, Human Dignity cannot survive over population. Convenience and decency cannot survive over population. As you put more people into the world the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies, the more people there are, the less on individual matters."

It gets worse when we couple this growth with our energy consumption, which I'll look at in the next post.
 
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I am anti-growth, preferring stability. I grew up in an area (Washington D.C. and Northern Virginia) that has been totall ruined by growth. Although this is not exactly what you are talking about, the end effect is the same, overcrowding, intolerable congestion of too many people trying to fit into too small a space, not to mention using up resources which applies to your scenario.

This is a great discussion for those who don't want government interference in their personal lives. Like China mandating how many kids a couple can have. Is this anti-liberty or is it a necessity?

Another lively related topic, should women be allowed to indiscriminately pop out babies because they can't take responsibility in their sex lives? Wait, this also applies to men who run around indiscriminately fathering children. I imagine Libertarians squirming at this point, "don't tell me what precautions I must take when poking!" :)
 

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I am anti-growth, preferring stability. I grew up in an area (Washington D.C. and Northern Virginia) that has been totall ruined by growth. Although this is not exactly what you are talking about, the end effect is the same, overcrowding, intolerable congestion of too many people trying to fit into too small a space, not to mention using up resources which applies to your scenario.

This is a great discussion for those who don't want government interference in their personal lives. Like China mandating how many kids a couple can have. Is this anti-liberty or is it a necessity?

Another lively related topic, should women be allowed to indiscriminately pop out babies because they can't take responsibility in their sex lives? Wait, this also applies to men who run around indiscriminately fathering children. I imagine Libertarians squirming at this point, "don't tell me what precautions I must take when poking!" :)

it's most definitely a necessity, and burden falls on he shoulders of every person on the planet. I don't like the idea of population control being mandated by govt, but something needs to be done. Population growth simply cannot be sustained, and we need to deal with this before we reach 11:59 otherwise we're in big trouble. It makes every other argument pointless: we could argue for capitalism or socialism til we're blue in the face but it means nothing unless this problem is addressed.
 

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The single biggest problem facing the human race today is of growth: growth of population and growth of consumption of the finite resources we have on Earth.
And all this time I thought the biggest problem was politicians...
 

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They cover it up..right? :ninja

well in reality they're just too stupid to realise the consequences of exponential growth. They push for steady growth without understanding the mathematics behind it. A good example, taken from the video I've been quoting, the politicians in Boulder Colorado were asked what % growth was a good figure for their population. The council members all answered a different number between 1% & 7%. What they don't realise was that if growth of 7% was maintained, the doubling time is 10 years, Boulder would be the size of LA in no time at all, but with only a fraction of the land space...
 

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in that respect we're certainly getting our money's worth! :(
Sad isn't it? And to top it off even though the majority elects these people into office our debt keeps getting higher and higher, our taxes keep going up and the politicians are stuffing BS down our throats!
 

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Sad isn't it? And to top it off even though the majority elects these people into office our debt keeps getting higher and higher, our taxes keep going up and the politicians are stuffing BS down our throats!

very true, but rising taxes really are the least of our worries. It's by making everyone focus on that kind of thing that takes away from what we should really be focusing on: stopping growth.

The thing is with politicians, everything they do, everything they push for are short-term vote winners. Something long term doesn't interest them. If it's more than 4 years away, they simply don't care.
 
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The thing is with politicians, everything they do, everything they push for are short-term vote winners. Something long term doesn't interest them. If it's more than 4 years away, they simply don't care.

That's why we need 50 year dictatorships. :D

I'll go first.
 

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Hey, Castro still lives - and that's a success in itself.

I guess that CIA tactic of waiting for him to retire finally worked :D
 

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I thought the CIA had numerous botched assassination attempts?

Have you seen the documentary - 638 ways to kill Castro? It reads like a Will E Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon!:24: It must really piss the CIA off that they failed and looked so stupid.:24::surrender
 

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Have you seen the documentary - 638 ways to kill Castro? It reads like a Will E Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon!:24: It must really piss the CIA off that they failed and looked so stupid.:24::surrender

i heard something about exploding cigars? lol!
 
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