The Real Problem With Adultery

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What is adultery? Sex without payment or with payment? How does 'sex-for-money' justify adultery as other than prostitution?? Is adultery a cultural problem?
What does the Bible say about it?
Let us have your valued thoughts ....to fill up our gaps of knowledge.
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The Real Problem With Adultery

Why the argument for 'the pleasures of adultery' comes up short.
Published on April 8, 2014 by Mark D. White, Ph.D. in Maybe It's Just Me, But...

I found a recent entry in The Philosophers' Mail, entitled “The Pleasures of Adultery,” to be intriguing although ultimately misguided. It takes up the topic of sexual infidelity but places too much emphasis on the sexual aspect and too little on the infidelity, or the broken promises and violations of trust that represent the true harm of adultery.
(The Philosophers’ Mail, affiliated with Alain de Botton’s School of Life, is regularly an entertaining and enlightening read, a welcome effort to use pop culture to introduce philosophical musings—to, in de Botton's words, "read and caption the news with an eye to traditional central philosophical concerns; for compassion, truth, justice, complexity, calm, empathy and wisdom.")

The uncredited author of the adultery piece—perhaps de Botton, perhaps not—is correct to highlight, as many have, that adulterous liaisons are a natural preoccupation, and makes an interesting argument that one who doesn’t have them might be lacking in some way:
To be provocative: what if there was something wrong in not being tempted, in not realising just how short a time one had been allotted on this earth and therefore with what urgent curiosity one might want to explore the unique fleshly individuality of more than one of one’s contemporaries? ... Isn’t the blanket rejection of such temptations a little too neat, an infidelity towards the chaotic richness of life itself? Could one trust anyone who would not, under certain circumstances, show any interest in being untrustworthy?
We are human, indeed, and many of us are tempted by the delights of the new, especially those of the sexual variety. But in the last sentence above, the author conflates the notions of desire and virtue: it is one thing to desire that which would render us untrustworthy, but it is another thing entirely to desire beinguntrustworthy. Which does the author mean? I would hope the first, but I can’t discount entirely the second (which I find disturbing).
But the main problem I have with this piece is nicely encapsulated in one lyrical but empty paragraph:
It would be deeply unusual to expect people to grow up in hedonistic liberated circles, experience the sweat and excitement of nightclubs and summer parks, be bathed in images of desire and songs of longing and ecstasy, and then one day, at the command of a certificate, renounce all further sexual discoveries in the name of no particular god and no higher commandment, just an unexplored supposition that it must all be very wrong.

The author doesn’t seem to appreciate that, for many of us, the imperative to be faithful to one’s partner is not a simple matter of a certificate, higher commandment, or god. Ultimately it rests in the promise one partner makes to the other—and breaking that promise, I think, is very reasonably held by most people to be “very wrong.”
The author very correctly points out that sexual infidelity is not the only wrong partners can inflict on each, nor necessarily the worst:
Adultery may be the lightning conductor of modern indignation, but are there not other, subtler ways of betraying a person than bysleeping with someone outside the couple; by omitting to listen, by forgetting to evolve and enchant, or more generally and blamelessly, by simply being one’s own limited self?

All of this is true; we can fail each other in so many other ways other than in terms of sex. But for better or for worse, the most exacting promises and expectations most people have in their relationships regard sexual fidelity. No one has to like this aspect of relationships, and many people argue against it or reject it, but that’s not the point. If you don’t want to be monogamous, don’t promise to be monogamous. But if you do make that promise to your partner, you have an obligation to keep it—not for the sake of any societal norm or expectation, but out of respect and love for your partner.
The author makes the common argument that no one can hope to be everything to his or her partner. He or she blames “the ethos of modern marriage, with its peculiar brittle insistence that one person must embody the complete sexual and emotional solution to another’s every need.” I tend to agree, but this realization should inform the promises that partners make to each other at the beginning of a relationship, not comprise an excuse for breaking them later on.
Furthermore, partners in relationships should be explicit regarding their expectations and the promises they’re willing to make. As I’ve written before, adultery is whatever partners believe it is, whether that means sexual intercourse, kissing, or texting. People in relationships should not feel bound by anyone else’s expectations of them—each person should feel bound only by the promises made to his or her partner. If you don’t feel your partner can be everything to you, then don’t promise to get everything from your partner. But if you do so promise, as I said above, you have an obligation to live up to it.
At the end of the day, adultery is not about the sex—it’s about the betrayal. We simply focus on the sexual aspect because it’s so visceral and associated with emotional intimacy within relationships (along with centuries of religious and political baggage). This also explains why many people would be more bothered by their partner romantically kissing another person than engaging in meaningless sex. The form of the betrayal is less important than the betrayal itself and its corrosive effect on trust in the relationship.
More generally, the author doesn’t seem to appreciate that the value of commitment is based in part on the value of what is given up for it. Of course, sexual desire has a unique pull on most of us. But promises of fidelity would mean much less if we were promising to give up something we didn’t want! The fact that most of us want sex so much is why it means so much when we promise it to just one person—and that promise to that person, not societal norms regarding monogamy, is what should make us think twice about "the pleasures of adultery."​
 
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There are lots of searches for stoning to death punishment in Old Testament. Posting this for people information and knowledge. Stoning to death was very popular punishment for all crimes.

Deuteronomy. Preceding number represents Chapter.

12.10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die, because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
17.2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman who hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God in transgressing His covenant,
17.3 and hath gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded,
17.4 and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it and inquired diligently, and behold, it be true and the thing certain that such abomination is wrought in Israel,
17.5 then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die.
17.6 At the mouth of two witnesses or three witnesses shall he that is worthy of death be put to death, but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Stonning to death punishment for disobidient sons.
21.21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.


Stonning to death punishment for non virgin women.

22.20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, (unmarried women)
22.21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die, because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house; so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Death punishment for adultery.

22.22 “If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman and the woman; so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

Stoning to death punishment for virgin women for adultery.
22.23 If a damsel who is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city and lie with her,
22.24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones, that they die — the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city, and the man,because he hath humbled his neighbor’s wife; so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

There are plenty more verses which prescribe death punishment, cutting hands of women,
 

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World Scripture
ADULTERY

The foremost of sinful actions is adultery or fornication. No other sin has such a baneful effect on the spiritual life. Because it is committed in secret, by mutual consent, and often without fear of the law, adultery is especially a sin against God and against the goal of life. Modern secular societies can do little to inhibit adultery and sexual promiscuity. Only the norms of morality which are founded on religion can effectively curb this sin.
Most of the passages collected here condemn adultery, fornication, and sexual promiscuity in general. A number of passages seek to demarcate limits of behavior that verge on fornication. At the conclusion are passages on related behaviors: divorce and homosexuality.


1. Islam. Qur'an 17.32

2. Christianity. Hebrews 13.4

3. Judaism. Midrash, Leviticus Rabbah 23.9

4. Christianity. Bible, Ephesians 5.5

5. Islam. Qur'an 25.68-69

6. Unification Church. Sun Myung Moon, 3-20-77

7. Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 815

8. Jainism. Acarangasutra 2.61

9. Buddhism. Dhammapada 309-10

10. Hinduism. Bhagavad Gita 1.40-42

11. Judaism. Talmud, Sota 3b

12. Taoism. Tract of the Quiet Way

13. Islam. Qur'an 24.33

14. Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 123

15. Sikhism. Adi Granth, Dhanasari, M.5, p. 672
 

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The lips of a loose woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil;
but in the end she is bitter as wormwood,
sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death;
her steps follow the path to Sheol;
she does not take heed to the path of life;
her ways wander, and she does not know it....

Drink water from your own cistern,
flowing water from your own well.
Should your springs be scattered abroad,
streams of water in the streets?
Let them be for yourself alone,
and not for strangers with you.
Let your fountain be blessed,
and rejoice in the wife of your youth,
a lovely hind, a graceful doe.
Let her affection fill you at all times with delight,
be infatuated always by her love.
Why should you be infatuated, my son, with a loose woman
and embrace the bosom of an adventuress?
For a man's ways are before the eyes of the Lord,
and he watches all his paths.
The iniquities of the wicked ensnare him,
and he is caught in the toils of his sin.
He dies for lack of discipline,
and because of his great folly he is lost.


Judaism and Christianity. Proverbs 5.3-23
 

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dude, this thread concerns 'adultery' and not 'porn'. Can't you understand this simple thing and stop posting off topic and irrelevant topics over here.


Porn is a logical motivator for/of adultery.

You just don't like your culture being exposed as the center of all those sexual perversions.
But, for this to be an honest discussion, it needs to be included.
 

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A thought to consider......is it adultery to commit deviant sexual acts with animals?
I know you find human/animal sex humorous and view it, but isn't that the same as cheating on a spouse?
I think it is.
How about watching this animal sex and enjoying it as you do?
That is intentional sexual arousal.
Since you find humor in it, watch it and seem to enjoy it, isn't that adultery?
It is sexual gratification out of marriage. And also a betrayal of marriage vows if married.

So how do you feel about the adultery you commit, mazHur when you sit back in your den alone and watch the latest CD/DVD on bestiality that your friend passed on to you for enjoyment?

Do you share it with your wife?
 

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There are lots of searches for stoning to death punishment in Old Testament. Posting this for people information and knowledge. Stoning to death was very popular punishment for all crimes.

Deuteronomy. Preceding number represents Chapter.

12.10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die, because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
17.2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman who hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God in transgressing His covenant,
17.3 and hath gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded,
17.4 and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it and inquired diligently, and behold, it be true and the thing certain that such abomination is wrought in Israel,
17.5 then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die.
17.6 At the mouth of two witnesses or three witnesses shall he that is worthy of death be put to death, but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Stonning to death punishment for disobidient sons.
21.21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.


Stonning to death punishment for non virgin women.

22.20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, (unmarried women)
22.21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die, because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house; so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Death punishment for adultery.

22.22 “If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman and the woman; so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

Stoning to death punishment for virgin women for adultery.
22.23 If a damsel who is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city and lie with her,
22.24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones, that they die — the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city, and the man,because he hath humbled his neighbor’s wife; so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

There are plenty more verses which prescribe death punishment, cutting hands of women,
The west uses the new testement...thus stoning is no longer practiced in christian culture....sadly though stoning is still occcuring in the mideast.
What can we do to stop this?
 

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Porn is a logical motivator for/of adultery.

You just don't like your culture being exposed as the center of all those sexual perversions.
But, for this to be an honest discussion, it needs to be included.


Porn is a relatively recent entry.....don't try to mix up things or spoil my thread with your crap.
 

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The west uses the new testement...thus stoning is no longer practiced in christian culture....sadly though stoning is still occcuring in the mideast.
What can we do to stop this?


Saudi' are your friends,,,why do you keep friends who hold on to stoning??
Doesn't it imply you have double standards and are acting with hypocrisy?
Your 'standards' and 'principles' commensurate with the profit you can make....
 

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A thought to consider......is it adultery to commit deviant sexual acts with animals?
I know you find human/animal sex humorous and view it, but isn't that the same as cheating on a spouse?
I think it is.
How about watching this animal sex and enjoying it as you do?
That is intentional sexual arousal.
Since you find humor in it, watch it and seem to enjoy it, isn't that adultery?
It is sexual gratification out of marriage. And also a betrayal of marriage vows if married.

So how do you feel about the adultery you commit, mazHur when you sit back in your den alone and watch the latest CD/DVD on bestiality that your friend passed on to you for enjoyment?

Do you share it with your wife?


Porn is a gift of the West to East. Almost all the porn is manufactured by the West incl America..
It's they who are poisoning people with the malady conducive to adultery.

In Islam there is Death penalty for both man and animal who conduct adultery.
However, In British law it is not so...
Pak mainly follows the British laws....
Sharia has a nominal position here...

I don't have a penchant for watching porn but if it comes my way ( in some email) I do take a glance at it ( for 'critical thinking') ....
It's shocking to see a white woman being fucked by a dog or a horse!!
It's astounding how that woman could stand the brunt of anal sex with a dog!!
Only you can tell us more...and stop accusing me of what I haven't done or am not used to.

As porn is a later arrival stick to the topic and don't try to scuttle away from subject matter

Should you want to debate Porn you can float your own thread .....
and get lost from here.
 

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Porn is a relatively recent entry.....don't try to mix up things or spoil my thread with your crap.

Porn is a problem that affects adultery.

http://www.foryourmarriage.org/everymarriage/overcoming-obstacles/pornography/

It destroys the trust and intimacy within the husband-wife relationship and often leads to the end of the marriage itself.
It creates obstacles to real communication and personal interaction with one’s spouse and with others.
It stimulates within the porn addict a distorted view of sexuality that can lead to the desire for riskier, perverse and even criminal sexual behaviors.
It draws focus away from one’s family life and relationship with God and sets a destructive example for one’s children.


I suggest you take that seriously, mazHur. Your dog fucking pornography is not beneficial to the family unit, nor your relationship with God ( Allah )
Your nation's intense interest in bestiality is destructive, not humorous as you claim.
 

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Porn is a problem that affects adultery.

http://www.foryourmarriage.org/everymarriage/overcoming-obstacles/pornography/




I suggest you take that seriously, mazHur. Your dog fucking pornography is not beneficial to the family unit, nor your relationship with God ( Allah )
Your nation's intense interest in bestiality is destructive, not humorous as you claim.


As I told you, dunce, porn is a later arrival and cannot be discussed in this thread which relates to adultery...

Porn is watching assholes fucking and fucked...it is contributory to sex crimes but not necessarily adultery which is rampant in white countries beginning with incest.
Our focus is on adultery and not sex deviations...which are a product of porn but which doesn't play much role in promoting adultery..it rather helps middle aged and old men some inspiration for sexual potency..
 

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now don't say condoms, gay sex, same sex marriage, lesbo's, dildo's etc are directly related to 'adultery' which is a direct sexual relationship between two persons and not a way to it.
 

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Porn is a gift of the West to East. Almost all the porn is manufactured by the West incl America..
It's they who are poisoning people with the malady conducive to adultery.

In Islam there is Death penalty for both man and animal who conduct adultery.
However, In British law it is not so...
Pak mainly follows the British laws....
Sharia has a nominal position here...

I don't have a penchant for watching porn but if it comes my way ( in some email) I do take a glance at it ( for 'critical thinking') ....
It's shocking to see a white woman being fucked by a dog or a horse!!
It's astounding how that woman could stand the brunt of anal sex with a dog!!
Only you can tell us more...and stop accusing me of what I haven't done or am not used to.

As porn is a later arrival stick to the topic and don't try to scuttle away from subject matter

Should you want to debate Porn you can float your own thread .....
and get lost from here.

Porn is a gift of the West to East. Almost all the porn is manufactured by the West incl America..
It's they who are poisoning people with the malady conducive to adultery.
It's not a gift. Your culture buys it from any nation where the sale and manufacture is legal.
The US is but one of your sources.

It's they who are poisoning people with the malady conducive to adultery.
You simply don't take responsibility for your own actions.


In Islam there is Death penalty for both man and animal who conduct adultery.
So?
Interesting that it takes the threat of death to persuade you not to bugger animals.

Pak mainly follows the British laws....
That's your excuse for buggery? The British made you do it?

I don't have a penchant for watching porn but if it comes my way ( in some email) I do take a glance at it ( for 'critical thinking') .
:D
Come on, admit you and your friends pass the CD/DVD frequently :D

It's astounding how that woman could stand the brunt of anal sex with a dog!!
Amazing you found it humorous.


As porn is a later arrival stick to the topic and don't try to scuttle away from subject matter
I think porn is older than you think.
Anyway, it is relevant because it does negatively influence sexual and familial relationships within the family unit.
 

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As I told you, dunce, porn is a later arrival and cannot be discussed in this thread which relates to adultery...

Porn is watching assholes fucking and fucked...it is contributory to sex crimes but not necessarily adultery which is rampant in white countries beginning with incest.
Our focus is on adultery and not sex deviations...which are a product of porn but which doesn't play much role in promoting adultery..it rather helps middle aged and old men some inspiration for sexual potency..


Just don't call me 'dear' :D

Title of thread:

The Real Problem With Adultery


That locks in discussing the influence of porn on a stable marriage, mazHur.

Or are you denying porn because of personal issues?
 

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now don't say condoms, gay sex, same sex marriage, lesbo's, dildo's etc are directly related to 'adultery' which is a direct sexual relationship between two persons and not a way to it.


Critically speaking, you need to rewrite that comment because it is incredibly confusing.

now don't say condoms, gay sex, same sex marriage, lesbo's, dildo's etc are directly related to 'adultery'
I hadn't thought of it that way, but really, if involvement in sexual perversion or even the viewing of sexual perversion leads to influencing sexual desires outside the marriage, it is a factor influencing adultery..

'adultery' which is a direct sexual relationship between two persons and not a way to it
What are you trying to convey? Not a way to what?
 

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It's not a gift. Your culture buys it from any nation where the sale and manufacture is legal.
The US is but one of your sources.


You simply don't take responsibility for your own actions.



So?
Interesting that it takes the threat of death to persuade you not to bugger animals.


That's your excuse for buggery? The British made you do it?


:D
Come on, admit you and your friends pass the CD/DVD frequently :D


Amazing you found it humorous.



I think porn is older than you think.
Anyway, it is relevant because it does negatively influence sexual and familial relationships within the family unit.


stop trolling and making fake arguments for the sake of argument..

porn is not an act in itself...adultery is.
understand??
 
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