The fringe movement to keep Barack Obama from becoming president.

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kelvin070

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Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

There are numerous questions as to Obama's citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!

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Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

There are numerous questions as to Obama's citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!

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I would think Obama would have provided said proof numerous times in the past... like for acquiring a driver's license?
 

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but all you need for a driver's lic. is proof that you live in the address you are using (like a power bill etc) your birth certificate & a social security card... you don't have to be a natural born citizen to get a driver's lic... or else we would have a shortage of cab drivers!!!!
 

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but all you need for a driver's lic. is proof that you live in the address you are using (like a power bill etc) your birth certificate & a social security card... you don't have to be a natural born citizen to get a driver's lic... or else we would have a shortage of cab drivers!!!!
LOL. Wouldn't a birth certificate tell them whether you were a citizen or not though?
 

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Documents that must be produced include;
(a) a certified copy of "vault" (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.
 

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LOL. Wouldn't a birth certificate tell them whether you were a citizen or not though?

but the point I was making is... just because you have a driver's lic. does not mean you were born here... as I am sure that birth certificates are issued in other countries besides the USA
 

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Obama is not an American ,is a terrorist , communist , Islamic America hater, will not swear on bible , ect ect ect.???????

Crackpots , whackjobs and conpiracy nuts. :p
If I were Obama , I would do exactly what he has done --ignore the idiots and do the job at hand.
You can never satisfy nutcases --never --no use trying . >f




Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve

By Tim Jones | Tribune correspondent 9:16 AM CST, December 8, 2008 UPDATE: The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
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Nyhan co-wrote a study this year that said journalists' attempts to correct misinformation is unlikely to sway public perceptions because many people want to believe the misperception.

"People often have a strong bias for believing the evidence they want to believe and disbelieving what they don't believe," Nyhan said. "There is less of a sense that we all have a common set of facts we can agree on. There's a polarization, and we can't even agree on the basic factual assumptions to have a debate."

Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve -- chicagotribune.com



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Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die

Barack Obama was, without question, born in the U.S., and he is eligible to be president, but experts on conspiracy theories say that won't ever matter to those who believe otherwise.
By Alex Koppelman
Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there.
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The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."
Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."
Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."
Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters.
For believers, it works like this: So what if Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, released a statement saying she has verified that the state has the original birth certificate on record? So what if she said separately that the certification looks identical to one she was issued for her own Hawaii birth certificate? http://michaelpatrickleahy.blogspot.com/2008/11/official-statement-of-dr-chiyome-fukino.html And on and on and on.

If the long-form birth certificate were released, with its unequivocal identification of Hawaii as Obama's place of birth, the cycle would almost certainly continue. Rush Limbaugh already suggested that Obama's trip to Hawaii to see his ailing grandmother, who died not long after, was somehow connected to the controversy. Others, like Michael Savage, followed Limbaugh's lead, saying Obama was going to Hawaii to alter the record.
Not surprisingly, almost all of the people who've been most prominent in pushing this story have a history of conspiracist thought. Philip Berg, who filed the lawsuit that had until now drawn the most public attention, is a 9/11 Truther. Andy Martin, who's credited with starting the myth that Obama is a Muslim and has been intimately involved in the birth certificate mess as well, was denied admission to the Illinois bar because of a psychiatric evaluation that showed he had "moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character."
Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die | Salon News

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Politifact >>>>
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

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And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter
 

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Ummm wasn't he born in Hawaii? Last time I checked Hawaii is a state, therefore wouldn't be an American citizen by birth right.
 

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Ummm wasn't he born in Hawaii? Last time I checked Hawaii is a state, therefore wouldn't be an American citizen by birth right.
I think the point was that people are trying to find all kinds of excuses for why Obama isn't a US citizen... which absolutely isn't true, it's just people's way of satisfying themselves by thinking they are doing the right thing. Or something like that. :rolleyes:
 

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I think the point was that people are trying to find all kinds of excuses for why Obama isn't a US citizen... which absolutely isn't true, it's just people's way of satisfying themselves by thinking they are doing the right thing. Or something like that. :rolleyes:

Thats a very polite way of putting it. I call it being a bad loser.:24:
 

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i would mind it because then they would want an amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America so that he could take office (since he has already been elected via the Electoral College...) blah blah blah
 

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Obama too British' case rejected An appeal claiming Barack Obama is too British to become president of the United States has been rejected by the US Supreme Court.
The lawsuit claimed he should be disqualified because, it claimed, he acquired the same British citizenship that his father had when he was born.
This meant he was not a "natural-born" US citizen, as the US constitution requires, it alleged.
Mr Obama's birth certificate shows he was born in Hawaii.
The issue was addressed by Mr Obama's aides during his presidential campaign, when they posted online his birth certificate - which was verified by Hawaiian officials.
This lawsuit, brought by retired New Jersey lawyer Leo Donofrio, gained a high profile because it was distributed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to other justices for discussion.
It conceded that Mr Obama was born in Hawaii - but contended that he still held foreign citizenship at birth.
It read: "Since Barack Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya, and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British citizen 'at birth', just like the framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be president."
Kenya was part of British East Africa until it received its independence in 1963.
A decision not to grant a writ of certiorari - the legal term for the declaration that the justices will hear the case - means that a lower court ruling that dismissed the lawsuit can stand.


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Haha! We've taken the colonies back and you voted for us!:24:
 

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Ummm wasn't he born in Hawaii? Last time I checked Hawaii is a state, therefore wouldn't be an American citizen by birth right.

He's produced a birth certificate for Hawaii. Now the fringe can continue looking for evidence it was forged with the help of Hawaiian bureaucratic conspiracy. :smiley24:
 

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This means if you are traveling out to see his inauguration, don’t cancel your plane tickets just yet. It appears the ceremonies are still on.
 
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