The DEATH penalty.
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TheOriginalJames
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A serious crime, something such as premeditated murder, mass murder, etc IMO warrent the death penalty.
I know the US has the death penalty, I'm going to take a stab and say Russia for the other one? lol
I know the US has the death penalty, I'm going to take a stab and say Russia for the other one? lol
TheOriginalJames
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Well I figured they were doing it legally now.
Perhaps Canada?
Perhaps Canada?
TheOriginalJames
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England?
Australia?
France?
Germany?
Sweden?!?
Mexico?
Belize?
South Africa?
China?
Japan?
South Korea?
North Korea?
India?
West Indies islands?
*strains to think of more places*
Australia?
France?
Germany?
Sweden?!?
Mexico?
Belize?
South Africa?
China?
Japan?
South Korea?
North Korea?
India?
West Indies islands?
*strains to think of more places*
redsMULLT1
Active Member
For it!
UncleBacon
OTz original V.I.P
all about it
In this country under the current legal system, I am against it.
The cost of persuing the death penalty is just too great. Texas, with over 300 people on death row, is spending an estimated $2.3 million per case, but its murder rate remains one of the highest in the country.
The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.
But... The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
I think some of the people on death row should fry, but why not let them just rot in jail for the rest of their life and save Millions every year? Take the money saved and put it to good use... at least in a perfect world.
The cost of persuing the death penalty is just too great. Texas, with over 300 people on death row, is spending an estimated $2.3 million per case, but its murder rate remains one of the highest in the country.
The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.
But... The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
I think some of the people on death row should fry, but why not let them just rot in jail for the rest of their life and save Millions every year? Take the money saved and put it to good use... at least in a perfect world.
UncleBacon
OTz original V.I.P
eye for an eye
AtlanticBlue99
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hamurabi knows his shit for being an old timer
UncleBacon
OTz original V.I.P
who? :dunno
AtlanticBlue99
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exactly, if you kill person(s) you should die too. life in prison just puts a bigger burden on the tax payers
Re: RE: The DEATH penalty.
We did have the death penalty at one point and decided it was a bad idea, its never been a proven crime deterernt and most data seems to show it actually increases violent crime. State sponsored murder is just scary slippery slope, not to mention the monatary cost to make it fair and equitable. And how do you KNOW the person is guilty something like 40 people in the past 5 years have been found to be not guilty after thier convictions some on death row.
And please becareful what you say, i've been civil in my posts but i can be very beligerant if it comes to it. I'd prefer not too.
Oh and can anyone tell me where this quote is from
"Deserves death, i dare say he does. But many who deserve death live and many who dont are dead, can you give life too them? Then don't be to rash to deal out death as a penalty for even the wise see not all ends"
More of a paraphrase but i cant find the exact quote
matt0114 said:
We did have the death penalty at one point and decided it was a bad idea, its never been a proven crime deterernt and most data seems to show it actually increases violent crime. State sponsored murder is just scary slippery slope, not to mention the monatary cost to make it fair and equitable. And how do you KNOW the person is guilty something like 40 people in the past 5 years have been found to be not guilty after thier convictions some on death row.
And please becareful what you say, i've been civil in my posts but i can be very beligerant if it comes to it. I'd prefer not too.
Oh and can anyone tell me where this quote is from
"Deserves death, i dare say he does. But many who deserve death live and many who dont are dead, can you give life too them? Then don't be to rash to deal out death as a penalty for even the wise see not all ends"
More of a paraphrase but i cant find the exact quote
Re: RE: The DEATH penalty.
No it doesn't. It costs millions more per case to go after the death penalty. That is why I am against it. If it cost the same or less than life in prison, then I am all for frying the bastards. I just have a problem seeing all the money it cost to pursue this need to put a needle in some jack asses arm. Let him rot in jail, he's not worth the expence or added man power. Or better yet, lets fix the system and have a public hanging the day after his trial.
AtlanticBlue99 said:
No it doesn't. It costs millions more per case to go after the death penalty. That is why I am against it. If it cost the same or less than life in prison, then I am all for frying the bastards. I just have a problem seeing all the money it cost to pursue this need to put a needle in some jack asses arm. Let him rot in jail, he's not worth the expence or added man power. Or better yet, lets fix the system and have a public hanging the day after his trial.
AtlanticBlue99
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to me, if my brother, mother, daughter etc was murdered by someone, i would not feel justice was served unless the murderer was put to death. too many people also get out of jail after 25-30 years and they have not change. with current sociological studies, many of which are performed by Hirschi and Stark, it is proven that if someone commits a crime such as 3rd degree or accidental murder/armed robbery/etc. (as ruled by a jury- it could have been intentional, but a confession of accidental murder would lead to a more speedy prosecution), he picks off exactly where he left off 25-30 years ago when he was first being tried. biologically, murderers do not lose the high testosterone levels associated with teenage violence and uncontrolled actions. so when he gets out of jail, he will be a 45-50 year old murderer or serial rapist.
it is true that over half of the people who go to jail for violent crimes started out with petty crimes, rack up a few years in jail, then because of sexual frustration, attack more violently thatn before jail. so if a murderer does not receive life without parole, i am totally against anyhting but the death penalty. the death penalty is just a guarantee that the monster wont be reinitiated back into society 30 years down the road to reek havoc once again
it is true that over half of the people who go to jail for violent crimes started out with petty crimes, rack up a few years in jail, then because of sexual frustration, attack more violently thatn before jail. so if a murderer does not receive life without parole, i am totally against anyhting but the death penalty. the death penalty is just a guarantee that the monster wont be reinitiated back into society 30 years down the road to reek havoc once again
Re: RE: The DEATH penalty.
So let me get this straight....all viloent offenders will reoofend and half of them started in petty crimes which means that 25% of all petty offenders will be rapists and murderers? Not knowing exact numbers but assuming violent offenders = 0.5x petty offenders. Do you realize how many people that is?
MY dad has been in corrections for 35 years, he's a policy maker now, and i can tell you yes there is a few people who seem to have nothing to do but goto jail, but the main problem is lack of money because for reintegration/education, petty crimes, such as posession of dope which is one of the largest amount of people serving a year plus a day(all Corrections facilities are max secure jails in ontario, and thats the sentence that under our law puts you in max jail for the least time, otherwise they'd have to go to a lesser secure jail under the fed law and they dont exisit, dont know exactly why, something with drug laws all being federal now where as at one point they were not, i'll look into it) and other drug abuse charges, then comes things like B&E assualt w/o a weapon and such then usually comes the really bad ones in for assault with a deadly rape muder). Alot of the drug abuse problems and property theft is due to lack of education or substance abuse, i mean some of these people are dumb as shit. i worked with this punk ass kid (16) who thought he was a gangsta, had homemade jail house like tats, like T H U G L I F E on his fingers, all done himself and ugly as shit. He did all the stupid shit and had been in juvie once, his problem is hes a dumb as a post, can't read, and only tell time on a digital watch and his parents allow his fucked up behavior, im pretty sure if he could read, write, tell time and his parents stopped him from doing stupid shit he might not be so fucked up. Education is a means to an end for most criminals, A portion of them will yes reoffend but you can't paint them all with the same brush. Alot of them hold jobs when they get out, even the stupid ones problem is when your gonna make minimum wage for the rest of your life and you can barely afford to live let alone raise a family they turn back to what they know will make them some cash or provide them with something better than what they will ever know yes they reoffend and eventually get caught and the cycle begins anew. Some will always be like that but thats a small portion to the ones that would fly right if they had the means, that is a social issue and not a biological certainty, ever seen gattaca, imagine if they started putting people in jail due to thier dna or performed forced abortions based on a possibility of criminal activity.
AtlanticBlue99 said:
So let me get this straight....all viloent offenders will reoofend and half of them started in petty crimes which means that 25% of all petty offenders will be rapists and murderers? Not knowing exact numbers but assuming violent offenders = 0.5x petty offenders. Do you realize how many people that is?
MY dad has been in corrections for 35 years, he's a policy maker now, and i can tell you yes there is a few people who seem to have nothing to do but goto jail, but the main problem is lack of money because for reintegration/education, petty crimes, such as posession of dope which is one of the largest amount of people serving a year plus a day(all Corrections facilities are max secure jails in ontario, and thats the sentence that under our law puts you in max jail for the least time, otherwise they'd have to go to a lesser secure jail under the fed law and they dont exisit, dont know exactly why, something with drug laws all being federal now where as at one point they were not, i'll look into it) and other drug abuse charges, then comes things like B&E assualt w/o a weapon and such then usually comes the really bad ones in for assault with a deadly rape muder). Alot of the drug abuse problems and property theft is due to lack of education or substance abuse, i mean some of these people are dumb as shit. i worked with this punk ass kid (16) who thought he was a gangsta, had homemade jail house like tats, like T H U G L I F E on his fingers, all done himself and ugly as shit. He did all the stupid shit and had been in juvie once, his problem is hes a dumb as a post, can't read, and only tell time on a digital watch and his parents allow his fucked up behavior, im pretty sure if he could read, write, tell time and his parents stopped him from doing stupid shit he might not be so fucked up. Education is a means to an end for most criminals, A portion of them will yes reoffend but you can't paint them all with the same brush. Alot of them hold jobs when they get out, even the stupid ones problem is when your gonna make minimum wage for the rest of your life and you can barely afford to live let alone raise a family they turn back to what they know will make them some cash or provide them with something better than what they will ever know yes they reoffend and eventually get caught and the cycle begins anew. Some will always be like that but thats a small portion to the ones that would fly right if they had the means, that is a social issue and not a biological certainty, ever seen gattaca, imagine if they started putting people in jail due to thier dna or performed forced abortions based on a possibility of criminal activity.
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