Some Religious People Need To Think About How Their Beliefs Make Them Act

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Attenborough 'received hate mail'
Veteran broadcaster Sir David Attenborough says he has received hate mail from viewers for not crediting God in his nature programmes.
"They tell me to burn in hell and good riddance," he said in an interview with the Radio Times.
Sir David has been making documentaries on the natural world and conservation for over half a century.
He also criticised the teaching of creationism alongside evolutionary science in schools.
In the interview, Sir David said that people asked why his documentaries did not give "credit" to God for the creation of life.
"They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds."
"I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in East Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball."
"The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs."
"I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."
Early disbelief
Talking about his own beliefs, Sir David said he was astonished at manifestations of Christian faith.
He said: "It never really occurred to me to believe in God - and I had nothing to rebel against, my parents told me nothing whatsoever.
"But I do remember looking at my headmaster delivering a sermon, a classicist, extremely clever... and thinking, he can't really believe all that, can he? How incredible!"
Learning from nature
His latest documentary looks how Charles Darwin came up with the theory of evolution and why it remains important. It is one of many programmes celebrating the bicentenary of Darwin's birth and the 150th anniversary of his book On the Origin of Species.
Sir David said it was "terrible" when creationism and evolution were taught in schools as equivalent, alternative perspectives.
The discussion of creationism in science lessons, under the heading of "intelligent design", has been a rallying point for scientists, particularly in the US.
"It's like saying that two and two equals four, but if you wish to believe it, it could also be five."
"Evolution is not a theory; it is a fact, every bit as much as the historical fact that William the Conqueror landed in 1066."
In Life on Earth, his natural history series first shown in 1979, he looked at plants and animals from across the world to illustrate the process of evolution through natural selection.
Speaking about the relationship between people and the rest of nature, Sir David said: "The basic notion that the world is our oyster, that we have domination over all things, that they are here for us..."
Asked where that view comes from, Sir David replied: "The Bible, of course. Genesis, chapter one."



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With all due respect to Christians, of all the ones I know the overwhelming majority of them are peaceful, respectful and honourable people. None I know personally have ever pushed their beliefs on me, nor have I criticised them.

My only resentment are the ones that insist that science is wrong simply because it refutes the book of Genesis. Seriously, if that book was removed from the front of the bible do you know how much indoctrination, propaganda and brainwashing would be eliminated from the world?

How about this:

In the beginning God made the Universe and all the things in it, and in the ten billionth year He created the Sun and Earth. He then created a carbon based molecule that was able to reproduce. And God said unto this molecule "Go forth and multiply, for I have given thee the chemistry necessary to give forth young, and to develop into a myriad of creatures. Let those that breed true and adapt survive and give their good attributes to the next generation. Let those that fail become extinct. And one day, a creature will arise that will ask itself "Where did I, and all of this marvelous world, come from?" and then I shall know that my work is complete."

Now that's a lot better start to a book that the bloody rot the fundies gobble down gullibly without wondering how friggen ridiculous it sounds!
 

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Like Lumpenstein alluded to, it's not a majorty thing. The problem is, it's the minority that get the coverage.

What it really needs are some more sensible Christians to come out and say "You kow what? We don't give a fuck whether or not God is credited, the Christians that do, and do so in their violent ways, are to be ignored as they are not representative of what we believe in".
 

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Some Religious People Need To Think About How Their Beliefs Make Them Act
I completely agree. Sending death-threats is completely wrong. Heck, anything beyond a kind request to consider their views is wrong. And I think this sort of hypocrisy by people who call themselves Christians is exactly why the world is against Christianity these days. It needs to stop, and now.
 

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I have the greatest respect for those Christians who despair at how their religion and Saviour have been exploited for self-serving purposes.

Oh father high in heaven -- smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games -- his women and his gun.
Oh Jesus save me!
And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood
to set the white man free.
Oh Jesus save me!
If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself
from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon --
His cross was rather bloody --
He could hardly roll His stone.
Oh Jesus save me!
 

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With all due respect to Christians, of all the ones I know the overwhelming majority of them are peaceful, respectful and honourable people. None I know personally have ever pushed their beliefs on me, nor have I criticised them.

These lovable, respectful, superstitious Christains are a member of a group of people that have conducted some of the greatest atrocities on this planet. If you are hanging around with a number of people & one of them commits murder, then you are also held responsible for that murder.

These people join superstitious groups that have killed, declared war, stolen... etc. Why would anyone want to join a group like that & then say things like we come in peace & we mean no harm. Oh it's really easy to forget about the atrocities that have been committed during the middle ages or in America during the 1700's, but wasn't it the Catholic Serbians who attempted Genocide in the 1970's & 1980's.

Religion is man's worst invention - EVAH.

Allan
 

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In the beginning God made the Universe and all the things in it, and in the ten billionth year He created the Sun and Earth. He then created a carbon based molecule that was able to reproduce. And God said unto this molecule "Go forth and multiply, for I have given thee the chemistry necessary to give forth young, and to develop into a myriad of creatures. Let those that breed true and adapt survive and give their good attributes to the next generation. Let those that fail become extinct. And one day, a creature will arise that will ask itself "Where did I, and all of this marvelous world, come from?" and then I shall know that my work is complete."
The Lost Book of Lumpenstein: Chapter 1 Book 1.

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that truly would be great if that were a part of the bible
 

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At least we can talk about christianity openly, praise, criticise, condemn, write a book, whatever unlike Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses
 

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I say we give the US so-called Christians the states of Texas and Utah in which to worship their hypocrisy (they abhor abortion yet send their children off to war to kill, duh) and when their "rapture" does occur let's hope they will all be taken and those of us left behind won't have to deal with them.
If our planet were to give up all the blood that has been shed in the name of religion (re: all gods ), we'd all be drowning in it.
 

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If our planet were to give up all the blood that has been shed in the name of religion (re: all gods ), we'd all be drowning in it.

Religion is an exuse for war, but if it didn't exsist we'd find other excuses...
 

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These lovable, respectful, superstitious Christains are a member of a group of people that have conducted some of the greatest atrocities on this planet. If you are hanging around with a number of people & one of them commits murder, then you are also held responsible for that murder.

These people join superstitious groups that have killed, declared war, stolen... etc. Why would anyone want to join a group like that & then say things like we come in peace & we mean no harm. Oh it's really easy to forget about the atrocities that have been committed during the middle ages or in America during the 1700's, but wasn't it the Catholic Serbians who attempted Genocide in the 1970's & 1980's.

Religion is man's worst invention - EVAH.

Allan
I still hold by my belief that Catholics are not true Christians. They have weird beliefs that cause them to do weird things (like genocides). So please, stop blaming Christians for things that non-Christians do. Catholics and Mormons are NOT Christians. ;)

At least we can talk about christianity openly, praise, criticise, condemn, write a book, whatever unlike Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses
Agreed. But is it really against the law to discuss the Satanic Verses you talk about?

I say we give the US so-called Christians the states of Texas and Utah in which to worship their hypocrisy (they abhor abortion yet send their children off to war to kill, duh) and when their "rapture" does occur let's hope they will all be taken and those of us left behind won't have to deal with them.
If our planet were to give up all the blood that has been shed in the name of religion (re: all gods ), we'd all be drowning in it.
Tell me what the right thing to do is when you are under attack? Even if you are a Christian who doesn't believe in murder? Are you just supposed to take it? Lay down and let your enemies kill every last one of you? It's pretty clear in the Bible that God helped protect His people and had no problem wiping out vast armies of the enemy, so Christians generally take that to mean that we are free to defend ourselves through war, if necessary. How is that hypocritical, if we are just following God's example?

Remember, there is a HUGE difference between murder and killing. Murder is unjust killing. The Bible says do not murder, not do not kill. If we are just in killing (such as by defense), then we have done no wrong, though I completely agree that it should only be used as a very last resort, else it wouldn't be just.
 

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Tell me what the right thing to do is when you are under attack? Even if you are a Christian who doesn't believe in murder? (bolding mine)

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Turning the other cheek is to respond to an aggressor without violence (in every sense of the word). The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament.

In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says:
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Matthew 5:38-42, NIV
A parallel version is offered in the Sermon on the Plain in the Gospel of Luke:
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:

Turning the other cheek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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If you call yourself a Christain, I think that means you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, right? Your question was answered a long time ago by the very God the Christians supposedly worship.

This is the reason, IMO, that almost 99% of so called Christians are hypocrites. They CANNOT follow the teaching of Christ yet they will not admit that. As far as I know the Jehovah's Witnesses are the only sect that refuses to fight in war. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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As someone brought up in the Jehovahs Witness religion, I can say that's true about them. I used to even get into a load of trouble with them if I beat the crap out of some arsehole who started on me. Hate their religion to the teeth for many a reason but that's one thing I've got to respect them for even if I dont agree, many a Jehovahs Witness went to the gas chambers in Nazi Germany for their religion, even after being offered very easy ways out of it. They even had their own badge there, the purple triangle. Still dont understand why they wouldn't fight in WW II though, especially as it was against a political movement that killed and tortured their fellow brothers.
 

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snip:

Tell me what the right thing to do is when you are under attack? Even if you are a Christian who doesn't believe in murder? (bolding mine)

Snip:

Turning the other cheek is to respond to an aggressor without violence (in every sense of the word). The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament.

In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says:
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Matthew 5:38-42, NIV
A parallel version is offered in the Sermon on the Plain in the Gospel of Luke:
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:

Turning the other cheek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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If you call yourself a Christain, I think that means you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, right? Your question was answered a long time ago by the very God the Christians supposedly worship.

This is the reason, IMO, that almost 99% of so called Christians are hypocrites. They CANNOT follow the teaching of Christ yet they will not admit that. As far as I know the Jehovah's Witnesses are the only sect that refuses to fight in war. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I understand what you're saying, and to an extent, I agree, but at the same time, God defended his people in the Bible. Israel fought against their enemies in wars to defend themselves, and God helped them.

To me, it seems that Jesus's teachings are more on a personal level. If you have personal enemies, you should treat them with love. In that way, you'll "heap burning coals on their heads". All of Jesus's teachings about this are consistent with having personal enemies. I'm not sure that the same is true for national enemies, as Jesus didn't talk about them, and God seems to encourage defending against national enemies.

Still, I can't say I'm 100% sure about this, and you've made me want to study it more. Thanks for your thoughts. :thumbup
 
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