Romney "Let Detroit go bankrupt" (did anybody actually read his comments?

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Romney has been criticized by Obama and the left for the above quote.

Has anybody actually read his op ed piece?

If so then tell me where he was wrong? Forget the headline.. Read the actual article

Seems like what he proposed is what happened. With exception of the bankruptcy laws being shit on. The basic premise was the same as what Obama forced GM and Chrysler to do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?src=mv&_r=0#38;ref=general
 
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Thanks for the article.
A lot different from what the general press has reported in the recent past.
 

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agreed

shame on the press for spinning it as they did

and shame on Romney for letting it get spun


another point that is unrelated which I noticed watching a little of the so called debate last night

both Obama and Romney commented about AQ and Afghanistan. They both talked about the mission there was to rid AQ who they made it appear was in control of Afghanistan. Correct me if I am wrong but our fight there was to oust the Taliban. As the Taliban refused to cooperate to hand over those in AQ that were there. AQ was not in control of the govt in Afghanistan. Never was if I am not mistaken. The Taliban was.
 

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another point that is unrelated which I noticed watching a little of the so called debate last night

both Obama and Romney commented about AQ and Afghanistan. They both talked about the mission there was to rid AQ who they made it appear was in control of Afghanistan. Correct me if I am wrong but our fight there was to oust the Taliban. As the Taliban refused to cooperate to hand over those in AQ that were there. AQ was not in control of the govt in Afghanistan. Never was if I am not mistaken. The Taliban was.


I remember it being two part......al Qaeda was of course initially the primary target, but when the Taliban offered and defended AQ's sanctuary, the Taliban obviously shared the spotlight/crosshairs with AQ.
Correct, AQ was not in control of the Afghan government. Nor were they ever in control of Iraq.
IMO.....AQ's actions were to entice the US into a financially devastating series of wars. It's been over a decade at war with AQ now and it looks like there's more coming.
 

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Re: Romney "Let Detroit go bankrupt" (did anybody actually read his comme

Romney has been criticized by Obama and the left for the above quote.

Has anybody actually read his op ed piece?

If so then tell me where he was wrong? Forget the headline.. Read the actual article

Seems like what he proposed is what happened. With exception of the bankruptcy laws being shit on. The basic premise was the same as what Obama forced GM and Chrysler to do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?src=mv&_r=0#38;ref=general

Good find,
I just read it.
It does appear as if Obama and gang are lying through their teeth.
Sad thing is during the debates you cant bring in any documentation...you can cite studies and the sort.
It appears as if Obama and gang are taking advantage of that and just come right out with lying.

Would be nice if this started making the big headlines...as well as some of the other lies they have been using.
 

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Did Mittens suggest bankruptcy with private equity as the solution with no government assistance? That is what I remember him saying. And from what I've read, there was no private equity available at that point in time and there was a VERY GOOD CHANCE, when they closed their doors, those companies would be devastated as compared to where they are today.
 

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Did Mittens suggest bankruptcy with private equity as the solution with no government assistance? That is what I remember him saying. And from what I've read, there was no private equity available at that point in time and there was a VERY GOOD CHANCE, when they closed their doors, those companies would be devastated as compared to where they are today.


Did Mittens suggest bankruptcy with private equity as the solution with no government assistance? That is what I remember him saying.
Interesting.
Do you have a link to a quote by Romney that supports your claim?

BTW...bankruptcy does not always demand absolute liquidation of assets, the courts can administer/oversee reorganization in certain cases/certain circumstances.... thus 'keeping the doors open' till the new business model returns success.


( or are you going to continue to ignore the 'tough' questions I ask? )
 

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I'm still waiting for my dividend check from Government Motors.
 

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Although I'm not a bankruptcy excerpt by any means, I do know that you have to have financing available to get a company through its reorganization. If that does not exist, when it closes down, they are really closed down. Something might emerge later, but it will be a shadow of it's former self. Bush/Obama offered that financing to GM through the U.S.Government. At one point, Romney's position was no government assistance, although he flip flops his position so much that it is impossible to know where he really stands on any issue.

At one of the Republican debates Romney said:
My view with regards to the bailout was that whether it was by President Bush or by President Obama, it was the wrong way to go. I said from the very beginning they should go through a managed bankruptcy process, a private bankruptcy process. We have capital markets and bankruptcy... My plan, we would have had a private sector bailout with the private sector restructuring and bankruptcy with the private sector guiding the direction as opposed to what we had with government playing its heavy hand.
Source: What Romney Wants You To Forget.

Again, it is suggested that during this period of crisis in the country, there was no private equity to be had. If Bush/Obama had not stepped in, Detroit would be drastically different that it is today. Would that have been good to allow such a strategic industry to implode? I am pissed that bad auto "leadership" has not been punished instead of bailed out, but I'm happy this industry is still there. Just as we need banks, but all the bad leadership and culture is still thriving on Wallstreet. :(
 

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It was not a legitimate bankruptcy anyway

The stakeholders were basically given the Gordie Howe mushroom treatment.
 

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Re: Romney "Let Detroit go bankrupt" (did anybody actually read his comme

Although I'm not a bankruptcy excerpt by any means, I do know that you have to have financing available to get a company through its reorganization. If that does not exist, when it closes down, they are really closed down. Something might emerge later, but it will be a shadow of it's former self. Bush/Obama offered that financing to GM through the U.S.Government. At one point, Romney's position was no government assistance, although he flip flops his position so much that it is impossible to know where he really stands on any issue.

At one of the Republican debates Romney said:
Source: What Romney Wants You To Forget.

Again, it is suggested that during this period of crisis in the country, there was no private equity to be had. If Bush/Obama had not stepped in, Detroit would be drastically different that it is today. Would that have been good to allow such a strategic industry to implode? I am pissed that bad auto "leadership" has not been punished instead of bailed out, but I'm happy this industry is still there. Just as we need banks, but all the bad leadership and culture is still thriving on Wallstreet. :(

Thanks for the link......but Romney as a flip flop artist, isn't anything new to politics.
With not much corrected, Romney has made some points.
The economy exists as a do-over at the taxpayer's expense, with many of the same problems still in play, but carrying a tremendous debt load.......on the taxpayer ....

At one point, Romney's position was no government assistance, although he flip flops his position
It does look as if Romney is weaseling on that point......but he seems to present an argument, your link taken as a whole, for private reorganization to be the first consideration.
It wasn't with the auto industry.....managements decided to delay court protected bankruptcy and go for 'the gold', so to speak.
But what happens if the next economic bust is near and their hands go out for more in an economy that's even more debt ridden?
With the world beset with terrorists and hot spots.....it's quite possible.

I do know that you have to have financing available to get a company through its reorganization. If that does not exist, when it closes down, they are really closed down.
Of course.......but like Chrysler....Fiat eventually bought them out and production continued.
But GM courted the bailouts as the solution. Essentially, management ran debt to the point there was no equity. Only debt. An incredible case of mismanagement. And politically, the government handing out money to 'save jobs' is good imagery.....for self promotion.


Again, it is suggested that during this period of crisis in the country, there was no private equity to be had.
Federal and large regional banks were certainly 'bust' at the time.
Money was 'out there' but the interest was pegged high risk because of the economic climate and not practical even for day to day operations. Ford weathered the worst of the recession but still had to take loans from the Feds just on that aspect. But those were cyclic, not bailout monies.

I am pissed that bad auto "leadership" has not been punished instead of bailed out,
Agreed, but also there has been the impropriety of gifting the UAW with 1/3 of GM stock while confiscating the equity of the 'old' GM stock holders.

And GM isn't out of the woods......it's stock price in a rising market has shrunk 30% in the last two years. That's not exactly seen as a resounding success in the market place.
With the middle class about to be hit with a higher tax bill, big ticket items are likely to take a hit as the middle class are essentially THE consumer base.
Don't be surprised to see the US auto industry under pressure in the next several years.


Just as we need banks, but all the bad leadership and culture is still thriving on Wallstreet.
It could get worse.....nationalize them.


but I'm happy this industry is still there.
An emotional response.

It's called corporate socialism.



However, I don't think Romney is going to be our economic savior......I think the Bush years and Obama's followup have been too devastating and it's going to take decades of fiscal responsibility to create correction.......and the general public seems more interested in quick fixes.....and let's face it, there is a strong sense of socialism and entitlement growing in the US, and that's not conducive for long range correction at all.

ie....you're fucked no matter who wins the election.....:D
 
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