Right and Wrong:

[IntruderLS1]

Is there such a thing as right and wrong anymore?

There are obviously some places even the furthest of PC'ers won't go yet (i.e. rape, murder, etc...), but for everything else.... Can I do literally anything I want, as long as it doesn't directly hurt you?

Discuss / Debate

 

[Keight]

Right and Wrong still exsists, however the meaning of right or wrong seems to have changed.

You can do something wrong as long as it doesnt hurt someone

Even when your right you are wrong in some sense of the word

Wrong doings are admired these days IE "lets do drugs its wrong but it feels so good"

did i make any sense? lmao

 

[Mase]

Some topics have a definite answer as being right or wrong. Some topics don't have a definite answer as being right or wrong. And some topics have a definite answer as being neither right nor wrong.

 

[Godsloveapples]

Is there such a thing as right and wrong anymore?

There are obviously some places even the furthest of PC'ers won't go yet (i.e. rape, murder, etc...), but for everything else.... Can I do literally anything I want, as long as it doesn't directly hurt you?

Discuss / Debate

Depends on someones level of education. The human brain should be able to tell between right and wrong. Even if it doesn't hurt others, we shouldn't do it if it's wrong.

 

[IntruderLS1]

How do we define right and wrong? If something is wrong for me, does that make it wrong for you? How about vise-versa?

Does society get to choose, or the individual?

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm of the opinion that if what you've doing hurts no one except yourself, there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I'm of the opinion that if what you've doing hurts no one except yourself, there's nothing wrong with it.

That works in theory, the problem is the "me generation" essentially youthful self centeredness, sometimes offers the vision that behavior isn't harming anyone other than themselves.

In other words, to know that you have to be able to look beyond your own nose, which is often not an easy concept.

And if you distill that a litte better, harming yourself is essentially harming someone.....Why would you want to inflict harm even if it is just on yourself?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

And to answer the question directly, to Scott, YES there is right and wrong, and it was felt by my parents to be thier job to teach my brother and I, I extend that to my own children.

Television, school, peers, church....It's not their job, it's my responsibility to instill the passion for good living and fair treatment of others on my children.

It's called parenting.

 

[Peter Parka]

Inflicting harm on yourself is a free decision though. I'm well aware that I'm doing harm to myself by smoking ect, i just chose to do it because i enjoy it. I wont be moaning if it does anything to me.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Inflicting harm on yourself is a free decision though. I'm well aware that I'm doing harm to myself by smoking ect, i just chose to do it because i enjoy it. I wont be moaning if it does anything to me.

I agree, really I do Pete, I have no right to tell you what to do with your body, that I agree with, but you are old enough and mature enough to make that choice.

:thumbup

 

[GraceAbounds]

Is there such a thing as right and wrong anymore?

Yes.

Can I do literally anything I want, as long as it doesn't directly hurt you?

Well sure you can. That's your choice, your free will. Doesn't make it right though.

How do we define right and wrong?

We don't. God does imo and he has placed in on the heart of all mankind to know the difference.

If something is wrong for me, does that make it wrong for you?

Right and wrong applies to all people.
Unless there is something medically wrong with our brains - all people know at the core of their being the basic right and wrongs in life even if they choose to ignore and not do what is right.

Does society get to choose, or the individual?

My answer would be God, but since that is not an option, I would say society.

 

[Pheonix23B]

I'm of the opinion that if what you've doing hurts no one except yourself, there's nothing wrong with it.

i agree 100%

 

[GraceAbounds]

Unfortunately there are many people that think what they are doing is not hurting others, but it is. Unfortunately they do not see this. Such is how free will works though. Many people are in need of being saved from themselves. Sadly, my brother in law is one of them.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I posted this in my thread ... but I think it is relevant in yours Scott.

So if doing drugs makes one happy, is that ok? If what makes one person happy may hurt another person; is it still ok? If what makes one person happy actually hurts society, but they don't see it that way ... is it still ok? If what makes someone happy actually hurts themselves but they are in denial and don't see it ... is it still ok?

We can't stop people from having free will and who would really want to? None of us, right? But imo people that have the mind set that them being happy is mainly part of their life purpose actually causes a lot of pain to everyone around them because of the self centered focus even if done unintentionally. I'm sure I am not explaining myself perfectly here, so bare with me.

I think that the more we are focused on self, the more arrogant, self absorbed, prideful, etc. we are and that it actually keeps us from being all we can be. It keeps us from being able to do all that we really could do. So it is the opposite of what one would actually think is rational: If we are mainly focused on ourselves and our goals we can accomplish everything, right? We accomplish much, but are we really accomplishing all we truly can? Are we getting along with others as best as we can? How much drama is in our lives? Etc. etc. etc.

I say when our primary focus is not on our own happiness, the more effective we are at life. Further more I say when we are focused on God everything else falls into place exactly where it is suppose to.

 

[All Else Failed]

Unfortunately there are many people that think what they are doing is not hurting others, but it is. Unfortunately they do not see this. Such is how free will works though. Many people are in need of being saved from themselves. Sadly, my brother in law is one of them.

That would fall under the category of "hurting others" then and wouldn't be considered right.

 

[Minor Axis]

How do we define right and wrong? If something is wrong for me, does that make it wrong for you? How about vise-versa?

Does society get to choose, or the individual?

I see right and wrong on two levels- legal and moral. Legal is supposed to be based on moral, but bottom line it has the law behind it. Moral may not have any legal consequences. The values are very fluid, dependent on society at large, and very subject to change.

Society decides legal right and wrong.
Society and Individuals decide moral right and wrong.

 

[GraceAbounds]

That would fall under the category of "hurting others" then and wouldn't be considered right.

But it is to my brother in law. He does not claim to be hurting anyone, only himself, so he does not see anything wrong with his behavior. (just many other people that are of this world)

 

[Minor Axis]

But it is to my brother in law. He does not claim to be hurting anyone, only himself, so he does not see anything wrong with his behavior. (just many other people that are of this world)

That's a moral issue and possibly a health issue. If it's alcohol or drugs, individuals are not in an objective position to judge themselves. Then it becomes more of a family or society issue.

However the best course is to let the individual fall as they have to decide for themselves when it's time for a change. And they might just have to loose everything (hopefully not their lives) to see the light. You just can't talk alcoholics out of being alcoholics. They have to want to change, you can't make them.

And under no circumstance should a drug addiction be treated as a legal issue (as in jail time). It's a health issue. Do you know the State of Texas has more people locked up doing time for pot possession than any other state? It's a wast of resources, it's expensive, and ruins people's lives.

 

[GraceAbounds]

That's a moral issue and possibly a health issue. If it's alcohol or drugs, individuals are not in an objective position to judge themselves. Then it becomes more of a family or society issue.

However the best course is to let the individual fall as they have to decide for themselves when it's time for a change. And they might just have to loose everything (hopefully not their lives) to see the light. You just can't talk alcoholics out of being alcoholics. They have to want to change, you can't make them.

You are preaching to the choir dear.