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Came across this interesting article:....

Republicans turn their back on the Enlightenment

Over in the US, the Republican party is choosing its presidential nominee to face Barack Obama in November. But whoever wins, science may lose.

The Grand Ol’ Party (GOP), as the Republicans are known, has an uncomfortable relationship with scientific fact. Rick Santorum, a frontrunner in the nomination race, has said of a fellow candidate: “If he wants to believe he is the descendant of a monkey then he has the right to believe that, but I disagree with him on this liberal belief.” Yes: acknowledging biology’s central premise is “liberal”. His opponents Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman and Newt Gingrich have all made noises doubting either climate change, evolution or both; only Jon Huntsman, a forlorn no-hoper, acknowledges the reality of both.

It’s not just the candidates. Fifty-two per cent of Republican voters reject the theory of evolution, saying mankind was created in present form within the last 10,000 years; just 31 per cent think man-made climate change is happening. In Congress, Republicans fought stem cell research and the HPV vaccine. Sarah Palin, ignoramus-in-chief, mocked “fruit-fly research” as a “pet project [with] little or nothing to do with the public good,” rejecting at a stroke most advances in genetics since Gregor Mendel.

“Is the GOP anti-science?” asks Chris Mooney, author of The Republican War on Science and Unscientific America. “It depends on your definition. If you mean ‘Takes many positions that are contrary to scientific understanding’, then yes; if it’s ‘Has an animus towards scientists’, then data suggests it’s true; if it’s ‘Wants to de-fund scientific research’, it's less clear, but to some extent true.”

To some extent, the cause is obvious. Religious conservatives have difficulties with science, notably evolution and a lot of medical research. Fiscal conservatives are leery of the idea of global warming, because the proposed responses are seen as constricting of business.

But it hasn’t always been like this in the party of Eisenhower and Lincoln. A move towards anti-intellectualism began in the 1960s: “The Republican political elites decided to energise their base around culture-war issues, like women’s rights, gay rights, separation of church and state, and abortion,” says Mooney. “It was called ‘Nixon’s Southern Strategy’, and it worked: the Republicans became the party of people who have very, very traditionalist views on cultural issues.”

This Nixonian strategy actually changed conservative psychology, according to Mooney. “It’s been argued convincingly that when you energise people around these sort of issues you get an authoritarian streak coming out, characterised by rigidity and inflexibility, thinking that you're absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong; a need for certainty, a need for order.” This black-and-white thinking does not sit well with science’s error bars and uncertainties.

Worse, it’s become a vicious circle. The Republican party is trapped by its own anti-science tactics. Part of the culture war strategy included attacking intellectuals: describing them as weak and spineless and effete. Academics, always liberal-inclined, responded by becoming more so: “They're so overwhelmingly liberal now it's kind of ridiculous, and so is the scientific community. The Democratic party is drawing the votes of people with advanced degrees, and the Republican party is not,” says Mooney. So, in turn, the Republican party reacted by becoming ever more distrustful of intellectualism, and pushing wave after wave of scientists and academics from the Right to the Left. “The more the Republican party rejects nuance and attacks knowledge, the more the people who have knowledge go the other way. It shows in statistics about liberalism among professors and scientists, and distribution of PhDs across the parties: there's a giant knowledge and expertise gap.”

And to appeal to this anti-intellectual base, the Republican elite now have to pretend to be stupider than they are. Gingrich, who in earlier years repeatedly acknowledged the dangers of climate change, suddenly dropped a chapter written by a climate scientist from an upcoming book after getting challenged on air by Rush Limbaugh, the hugely influential Right-wing talk radio host; Mitt Romney moved from “I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that” to “We don't know what's causing climate change on this planet” in the space of three months.

Do they mean it, or is it pandering to their anti-intellectual base? “Santorum, Bachmann and Perry are completely out of touch with reality. With Romney and Gingrich, many people get the impression that they know what's right and what's wrong, but can’t say it,” says Mooney.

Perhaps. But nowadays, to get far in the Republican party, you can’t be part of what George Bush might call the reality-based community. It’s a worrying state of affairs: America is becoming an intellectual two-speed nation, with a technocratic, informed elite and a scientifically illiterate rump who are falling behind economically in their increasingly knowledge-based economy. The GOP is increasingly the party of the uneducated: it’s bad enough for them, but if it means voting stupid people, or people who are pretending to be stupid, into the most powerful office in the world, it’s bad for the rest of us too.
 
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Re minds me of the book from George Orwell in 1984.”Ignorance is strength.” (+war is peace and freedom is slavery)
 

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Not all conservatives are lunatics, but here is one end of the extreme conservative spectrum...
Wealth is the golden calf to conservatives who have money. ANYTHING that costs money unless is benefits them and only them is bad. Name it- Climate Change, tighter regulations that prevent poisons in the environment, those threats are exaggerated, a liberal conspiracy along with public schools and universal health care. Some people will die, so what, our profits will be high! Any expenses to help society overall is really bad because those freeloaders don't deserve it. Conservatives also have a bad habit of treating the Earth as their own resource to be consumed for profits and viewing it as a giant toilet, thinking it's so big that they will be insulated from the shit floating around in the bowl, and because it would cost some of their cherished profits to treat the Earth as our home.

Oh, and the poor conservatives? The poor conservatives want to be part of the party so they can hope one day they'll also have the "good life". And they really like it when they are white, the conservatives in charge are white, and other minorities/social groups are talked down as the source of our problems. This is while they use government programs like wick and other government assistance.
 

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Came across this interesting article:....

Republicans turn their back on the Enlightenment

edited for brevity.


Indeed they do. The conservative/neoconservative element.
Some terrible 'science' came out of the Bush era and still clings in an attempt to leverage economic advantage for 'friends' (read mostly corporations).


But your socialist buddies have also been guilty of intellectual dishonesty in the sciences.
Perhaps you've heard of Lysenkoism?

If you haven't, this is a good read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
 

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I know plenty of scientists that are Christian or conservative (or both) that don't subscribe to the theory of evolution. Or they believe in a combination of evolution and intelligent design. Hell, I know a guy (that my dad went to high school with) that's a theoretical physicist with both his Masters and Doctorate from Cal that believes in a hybrid evolution and intelligent design theory.
 

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Re minds me of the book from George Orwell in 1984.”Ignorance is strength.” (+war is peace and freedom is slavery)
I like to add and make it and article more complete......................................................., tax reductions and wealth; if it snows in winter that proofs climate change does not insist(this previous winter should contradict this but ohh well)unnecessary making wars and fabricating unnecessary weapons(the ones Pentagon does not want itself) is great, peoples failure/getting sick is your own fold/ problem, failing ceo’s need to get subsidies and bonusses, firms are individuals, and you need to have respect for the job as president except when it is a Democrat.
 

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Ignorance is a fantastic posession....................................:http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1005/republicans-happier

An interesting list from your 2008 article. I added some comments:
Well, Republicans are different from Democrats. How so? Let us count the ways.

  • They have more money.-not a guarantee of happiness, but it makes a difference.
  • They have more friends.- birds of a feather?
  • They are more religious.- God is taking care of me. Always a good source of happiness.
  • They are healthier.- when you have better income...
  • They are more likely to be married.[SUP]6[/SUP]
  • They like their communities better.[SUP]7[/SUP]
  • They like their jobs more.[SUP]8[/SUP]
  • They are more satisfied with their family life.[SUP]9[/SUP]
  • They like the weather better.- Global warming? Bah humbug.
  • They have fewer financial worries.- again money.
  • They're more likely to see themselves doing better in life than their parents did.[SUP]12[/SUP]
  • They're more likely to feel that individuals - rather than outside forces - control their own success or failure.- I agree with this.
  • They have more of what they most value in life. (No, it's not money).[SUP]14[/SUP]
 

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I know plenty of scientists that are Christian or conservative (or both) that don't subscribe to the theory of evolution. Or they believe in a combination of evolution and intelligent design. Hell, I know a guy (that my dad went to high school with) that's a theoretical physicist with both his Masters and Doctorate from Cal that believes in a hybrid evolution and intelligent design theory.

Indeed.....but this wasn't a thread designed for thoughtful responses.
It started as a copy and paste argument and tries to build as an absolute.
 

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Your link http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1005/republicans-happier
Could have added another element to their research that would have been of interest..
That would have been wealth envy.....not just from party identification alone, but also in conjunction with financial status.

I suspect the further to the political left the stats cover, the greater the wealth envy at equivalent income levels.
 

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Indeed.....but this wasn't a thread designed for thoughtful responses.
It started as a copy and paste argument and tries to build as an absolute.

No, it's a thread that makes an observation about a political party that prefers living with it's head in the sand. For confirmation, look at the GOP front runners for the last several months, lol. :)
 

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No, it's a thread that makes an observation about a political party that prefers living with it's head in the sand. For confirmation, look at the GOP front runners for the last several months, lol. :)

I'm not a member of the Republican party and I agree with your present assessment of their party leaders.


it's a thread that makes an observation about a political party
No.........it's an observation the OP presented as an absolute about the membership of the Republican party.
Not all Republicans are of a conservative/neocon nature.
Nor are all Democrats socialists as I see arguing in this forum.
 

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No.........it's an observation the OP presented as an absolute about the membership of the Republican party.
Not all Republicans are of a conservative/neocon nature.
Nor are all Democrats socialists as I see arguing in this forum.

I agree with you. However if you look at today's GOP leadership, (not average rank and file, excluding hard right fanatics) they make it easy to jump to such conclusions.
 
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