Rafa leaves Liverpool FC

[Springsteen]

It could. I mean we have just as big debt as Liverpool but because we are always challenging for the Title, and qualifying for the latter stages of the Champions League, and getting far in at least one of the domestic cups, and getting on TV a lot (which is worth about £600,000 a game) we are always making money that way. Plus all the merchandise sales etc. For the financial year up to March 2009 we were £20m in profit for example.

Whereas Liverpool, if the slippery slide continues, might not even break even. And in a couple of years when the new UEFA financial rule comes in they won't be able to enter the European competitions because they are in debt in terms of failure to show a profit (interestingly enough, despite having all the money in the world, Man City posted a £96m loss, because of the failure to get far in Europe etc), now sure there's still time but they had better get their house in order and sharpish.

 

[porterjack]

It could. I mean we have just as big debt as Liverpool but because we are always challenging for the Title, and qualifying for the latter stages of the Champions League, and getting far in at least one of the domestic cups, and getting on TV a lot (which is worth about £600,000 a game) we are always making money that way. Plus all the merchandise sales etc. For the financial year up to March 2009 we were £20m in profit for example.

Whereas Liverpool, if the slippery slide continues, might not even break even. And in a couple of years when the new UEFA financial rule comes in they won't be able to enter the European competitions because they are in debt in terms of failure to show a profit (interestingly enough, despite having all the money in the world, Man City posted a £96m loss, because of the failure to get far in Europe etc), now sure there's still time but they had better get their house in order and sharpish.

i work with a guy who is from Scotlansd and he follows this stuff closely he told me last week that a couple of clubs go tinto probles because they did not do well in european competitons and they lost their good players, etc etc and eventuall lost their place in the premier, i think leeds and ipswich the clubs he talked of

it would be absolutley unthinakble for me tonotsee liverpool in the premier

crazy stuff

 

[Springsteen]

I don't think they will ever be relegated because there will always be a few teams worse than Liverpool. Although yeah point taken with the Leeds point.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I think to say Liverpool could have won the league with Torres is a lie personally. I mean he played in virtually every game in hist first season and thye got nowhere near the League. Thing that cost Liverpool last season was the amount of crap they had in their team, the likes of Lucas (defend him all you want, he's still poor), N'Gog, Riera, Babel, Insua, Kyriakos. Sure Gerrard didn't play as well last season and to be honest that might have cost them, more, but I still don't think they'd have got anywhere near the top.

Hell, the only reason they are in Europe next year is because Portsmouth went into administration, had that not happened Portsmouth would have got the Europa League spot for finishing runners up in the FA Cup final but instead that place went to the 7th place team, which Liverpool were.

Get a decent manager, have a huge clearout, buy some good players. But even then you have us and Chelsea who are simply miles away from them, and the likes of Man City who have unlimited funds.

Admittedly those list of players are poor in comparison to the players that we should of got in place of them, we wanted Malouda, now of Chelsea, only because we didn't get his signature did we opt for Babel, the Moores family should of sold the club to the Dubai Royal Family instead of Gillette and Hicks. Had Lucas been in a team full of players that we wanted, you would not be saying he is crap, he has shown a lot of promise that others haven't

But you have to admit that most of last season's decisions made by the referee were poor to say the least

 

[Springsteen]

Well Liverpool got a penalty against Birmingham that should never have been so yeah I guess you could make that argument.

 

[Zorak]

Liverpool were not hindranced by referees in any shape or form.

I can think of 8 or 9 times last season where Carragher fouled someone in the box and got away with it.

 

[Springsteen]

We should have had a penalty at Anfield last season when Carragher brought down Valencia, and he should have been sent off when he pulled down Michael Owen when Owen was clean through on goal.

Shit happens in football, and you cannot possibly blame the referee for the fact you finished 7th and lost 11 times in the League.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Liverpool were not hindranced by referees in any shape or form.

I can think of 8 or 9 times last season where Carragher fouled someone in the box and got away with it.

Oh no? How about the first game of the season against Spurs? Oh how about the Sunderland game, where there was interference on the pitch, just before the ball rolled into the net

 

[Zorak]

From waht I remember, Spurs outclassed Liverpool.
Gave them a lesson in football.

One scouse beachball doesn't constitute a conspiracy.

 

[Tuffdisc]

From waht I remember, Spurs outclassed Liverpool.
Gave them a lesson in football.

One scouse beachball doesn't constitute a conspiracy.

But it shows the level of bad decisions against Liverpool

 

[TGLucario475]

But it shows the level of bad decisions against Liverpool

The beachball incident was rather unfortunate, but we can laugh about it and get over it, that's what I've done.

 

[Zorak]

OK. 1 time.
But what about against Man Utd when Carragher brought Owen down when he was the last man and only got a yellow, and in the same game Carragher again brought down Carrick in the box and got away with it.

Liverpool are not victimised.

They were not good enough last season, that's the reason they limped in at 7th place and crashed out of every cup competition.

 

[Springsteen]

The decisions we've had against us last season

The penalty against Liverpool that wasn't given
We should have had a penalty against Chelsea that wasn't given
We should have had a penalty at Birmingham that wasn't given
Chelsea's second goal against us at Old Trafford should not have stood.

I've basically just pinpointed 4 occasions there where decisions have gone against us. But I'm not dwelling on it, and there have been more, but the fact is they happened. Can't be changed now. Stop whining Liverpool fans, shit happens in football.

You were poor last season, and you'll be poor next season because you have players who in the main are not good enough at this top level.

 

[skyblue]

But it shows the level of bad decisions against Liverpool

as i said earlier...we got relegated on the back of referees dicisions

need directions to leicester at all?......be prepared and all that

 

[Tuffdisc]

as i said earlier...we got relegated on the back of referees dicisions

need directions to leicester at all?......be prepared and all that

Yeah, I can understand the predicament some clubs went through, because of an idiot in black and holding a whistle

 

[Springsteen]

Right enlighten me. Please go through each and every decision you feel went against Liverpool last season. I expect your homework on my desk by the morning and I'll mark it out of whatever.

 

[TGLucario475]

Right enlighten me. Please go through each and every decision you feel went against Liverpool last season. I expect your homework on my desk by the morning and I'll mark it out of whatever.

Do I have do to this homework too? As I didn't complain, well I did when it happened, but I just got on with it.

 

[Peter Parka]

I pretty much agree with Zorak, Liverpool were dirty fucks when they played us. Their defense right now is really poor and all they could do was haul players over when they couldn't keep up. N'Gog should have been sent off in that match but the ref turned a blind eye to him. Really dont think you can blame your poor season on refs.
The biggest problem I see is your defense, it really is shocking right now. Carragher is slow and well past it and isn't even good enough for the Championship any more.

 

[Springsteen]

Do I have do to this homework too? As I didn't complain, well I did when it happened, but I just got on with it.

No no it's fine. You seem to not be dwelling on it. Hell at the time I complain about decisions going against us but in the end I accept it happened and move on, and certainly never blame it on the poor season we might have had. That's just deflecting blame.

The reason we didn't win the Title last year is because we lost 7 games, which is too many for a team with ideas on winning the Title. Chelsea must also take credit because they managed to bounce back from a poor season for them the season previously. Liverpool's reason they finished 7th was because they lost 11 games, that's nearly a third of the games. Just accept you had a crap season and it was down to you.

 

[TGLucario475]

No no it's fine. You seem to not be dwelling on it. Hell at the time I complain about decisions going against us but in the end I accept it happened and move on, and certainly never blame it on the poor season we might have had. That's just deflecting blame.

The reason we didn't win the Title last year is because we lost 7 games, which is too many for a team with ideas on winning the Title. Chelsea must also take credit because they managed to bounce back from a poor season for them the season previously. Liverpool's reason they finished 7th was because they lost 11 games, that's nearly a third of the games. Just accept you had a crap season and it was down to you.

I do agree we had a crap season and I ain't denying it, I know we can bounce back, maybe not this season if we don't improve the squad.