"Preventive Detention"

[sierrabravo]

Howard Marks, you are under arrest for a murder you haven't commited yet...
YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Indefinite detention? Shame on you... President Obama
i really dont like this man... :mad

 

[Alien Allen]

Well I might have to rethink my views on Rachel Maddow

kudos for her to bring this up.

Obama will know his days are numbered when Olbermann does the same

 

[siasl]

Well I might have to rethink my views on Rachel Maddow

kudos for her to bring this up.

Obama will know his days are numbered when Olbermann does the same

like i've wondered before....why aren't the pundits on the right praising this guy....he's not the big bad obamamama they worked so hard to scare everyone into voting against.

good prez?....bad prez? that remains to be seen
muslim loving socialist?
i think not.....

liberals may hate him because he's -at worst- a centrist democrat who doesn't love the concept of big government in the ways they do.....conservatives and independants may hate him because he's throwing money around like......ah....bush :24:
but he's just fighting a different war.....

he's just a friggin politican....painted blue this time, instead of red.
you should be the first one to say, bill, that it's a coat of many colors, worn only to dress up the pablum underneath.

 

[KpAtch3s]

like i've wondered before....why aren't the pundits on the right praising this guy....he's not the big bad obamamama they worked so hard to scare everyone into voting against.

good prez?....bad prez? that remains to be seen
muslim loving socialist?
i think not.....

liberals may hate him because he's -at worst- a centrist democrat who doesn't love the concept of big government in the ways they do.....conservatives and independants may hate him because he's throwing money around like......ah....bush :24:
but he's just fighting a different war.....

he's just a friggin politican....painted blue this time, instead of red.
you should be the first one to say, bill, that it's a coat of many colors, worn only to dress up the pablum underneath.

He's spent more than everyone other president combined in 4 months. Muslim loving socialist? Damn right he is. He's gained more government control and pushed this country farther towards total control than we've ever been.

 

[Alien Allen]

like i've wondered before....why aren't the pundits on the right praising this guy....he's not the big bad obamamama they worked so hard to scare everyone into voting against.

good prez?....bad prez? that remains to be seen
muslim loving socialist?
i think not.....

liberals may hate him because he's -at worst- a centrist democrat who doesn't love the concept of big government in the ways they do.....conservatives and independants may hate him because he's throwing money around like......ah....bush :24:
but he's just fighting a different war.....

he's just a friggin politican....painted blue this time, instead of red.
you should be the first one to say, bill, that it's a coat of many colors, worn only to dress up the pablum underneath.

He is an incompetent idiot Bob. Yeah I said it. I N C O M P E N T !!

He may be smart. But I know plenty of people that are smart but are clueless.

He is a statist socialist. None of his supporters see it but the conservatives do.

Those that support him please tell me what exactly has he accomplished? He is when you come down to it a community activist from academia. Period

Give me a list of his accomplishments in office.

 

[Minor Axis]

Well I might have to rethink my views on Rachel Maddow

kudos for her to bring this up.

Obama will know his days are numbered when Olbermann does the same

Two comments-

1) I'm flabbergasted that Obama would propose this. It is unacceptable to a democracy that is supposed to live by the rule of law, and habeus corpus. We don't lock up people and throw away the key without due process.

2) If it was McCain making this speech as President there would be a group in this forum cheering him on.

 

[Alien Allen]

Two comments-

1) I'm flabbergasted that Obama would propose this. It is unacceptable to a democracy that is supposed to live by the rule of law, and habeus corpus. We don't lock up people and throw away the key without due process.

2) If it was McCain making this speech as President there would be a group in this forum cheering him on.

Yes it is kind of odd he would take this kind of a stance.

I gotta tell ya though that a lot of the Obamamaniacs are not condemning him for this.

You would not find me in support of this. This is against everything we stand for.

 

[sierrabravo]

i also would like to see a list (or a one point bulletin...) of what that puppet has accomplished since taking office... so far I know for a FACT that he is digging deeper into the national deficit because my grandparents get a stimulus check from the gov't (apparently all people on social security are getting it, then regular people are going to say "what about us?" then he'll give that money to the regular scmoes in town.

 

[MoonOwl]

I am quite disappointed that Barack didn't bury this like he should have.

Thanks to the Military Commissions Act, US Citizens can be classified as Enemy Combatants.

But there's nothing to see here..... Move on....

Just hope your neighbor doesn't get a bee in their bonnet and decide to say you are building bombs in your basement. Then you will find out exactly how many of our rights have been lost since September 11th. Because you are now guilty until you prove you're innocent. Oh wait, that right is gone too under "Enemy Combatant". You get no chance to plead your case unless and only unless they decide to hear it.

It's a brave new world ain't it?
MO

 

[Minor Axis]

Thanks to the Military Commissions Act, US Citizens can be classified as Enemy Combatants.
MO

That must be fixed. See link.

 

[Dana]

Bottom line you're damned if you do, you're damnred if you don't. If it wasn't Obama in office some other dumbass would be in there doing the same thing.

 

[SgtSpike]

liberals may hate him because he's -at worst- a centrist democrat who doesn't love the concept of big government in the ways they do.....conservatives and independants may hate him because he's throwing money around like......ah....bush :24:
but he's just fighting a different war.....

Yeah, because Bush's spending was even close to Obama's...

TOTAL cost of the Iraq war, and I mean TOTAL, in the past EIGHT YEARS, is only $861 billion. That's nothing compared to Obama spending an extra $3 trillion in ONE YEAR!

So don't even try to compare the two.

And @ the comment that American Citizens can be labeled as Enemy Combatants - well, duh. Some people who have gained citizenship ARE enemy combatants - what's wrong with labeling them as such?

 

[Alien Allen]

Yeah, because Bush's spending was even close to Obama's...

TOTAL cost of the Iraq war, and I mean TOTAL, in the past EIGHT YEARS, is only $861 billion. That's nothing compared to Obama spending an extra $3 trillion in ONE YEAR!

So don't even try to compare the two.

And @ the comment that American Citizens can be labeled as Enemy Combatants - well, duh. Some people who have gained citizenship ARE enemy combatants - what's wrong with labeling them as such?

Is there any mention that those citizens are outsiders versus natural born?

I do not recall seeing that

A citizen earned their stripes and deserve the full rights of the legal system

 

[Minor Axis]

Yeah, because Bush's spending was even close to Obama's...

TOTAL cost of the Iraq war, and I mean TOTAL, in the past EIGHT YEARS, is only $861 billion. That's nothing compared to Obama spending an extra $3 trillion in ONE YEAR!

So don't even try to compare the two.

Why, because it was your President/Administration who by action or inaction set up Part 1. By wide agreement Obama's Part 2 is necessary to fix your guy's mess.

And @ the comment that American Citizens can be labeled as Enemy Combatants - well, duh. Some people who have gained citizenship ARE enemy combatants - what's wrong with labeling them as such?

What you are describing is too easy of a way to take away a U.S. citizen's civil liberties. But as based on past posts, I realize you don't think that's a big deal.

 

[MoonOwl]

What you are describing is too easy of a way to take away a U.S. citizen's civil liberties. But as based on past posts, I realize you don't think that's a big deal.

Just these past couple of months Missouri police have caught flak for putting out memos that supporters of Ron Paul and other "Libertarian" candidates were to be treated as possible terrorists. A Presidential candidate. It has since been shelved due to public outcry. Or so they've said.

How true that some people don't understand the full extent to which the police state/dictatorship is right here. Perhaps when they are considered a possible terrorist for some inane bs they will be fully aware of what has been done in the name of 'security' to American Born, taxpaying, LAW-Abiding citizens.....

I thought political dissent only landed you in jail in COMMUNIST counties. Not here in America. Not any longer apparently. No, Enemy Combatant status strips you of all your rights whether you deserve it or not and how can you plead your innocence when you ain't allowed an attorney or trial?

Isn't it amazing what vote-fraud and divisive topics like abortion and gay rights leads to?

So much for Barack taping our Constitution & Bill of Rights back together......

Your papers please.... Hey, you wanted to be safe from the boogey man so show me those papers now.

 

[SgtSpike]

Is there any mention that those citizens are outsiders versus natural born?

I do not recall seeing that

A citizen earned their stripes and deserve the full rights of the legal system

What you are describing is too easy of a way to take away a U.S. citizen's civil liberties. But as based on past posts, I realize you don't think that's a big deal.

Nope, there is no difference between a natural-born citizen and one who is an "outsider", and I'm not advocating that there should be any differentiation between the two. I just think we follow the letter of the law all to often these days instead of the spirit.

If someone is obviously an enemy to the US, regardless of the status of their citizenship, they should be able to be labeled an Enemy Combatant. Otherwise, people are going to get hurt or killed who didn't need to get hurt or killed.

It's obviously a fine line to walk, and any abuses of that labeling should be taken care of immediately (obviously), but it's something we NEED in order to continue to keep this country safe and secure. If agents find a known terrorist walking the streets of the USA, someone who has also managed to gain citizenship, and they can't do anything about it because they couldn't label him as an "Enemy Combatant", then I think that is an atrocity.

Why, because it was your President/Administration who by action or inaction set up Part 1. By wide agreement Obama's Part 2 is necessary to fix your guy's mess.

Far from wide agreement among the general populace. Perhaps wide agreement among left-wing extremists. But if you poll the average American on whether you think Obama's policies are going the right way, most are against the majority of what he has done thus far, and what he plans to do in the future.

And I don't even see how you can blame the economic mess on the war in Iraq... complete insanity if you're trying to connect those two. If anything, the war HELPED the economy by giving jobs to producers of military tech.

 

[Alien Allen]

If someone is obviously an enemy to the US, regardless of the status of their citizenship, they should be able to be labeled an Enemy Combatant. Otherwise, people are going to get hurt or killed who didn't need to get hurt or killed.

Remove enemy combatant and insert communist sympathizer. Do you want to have a return to the dark days of McCarthyism??

Not me

 

[SgtSpike]

Remove enemy combatant and insert communist sympathizer. Do you want to have a return to the dark days of McCarthyism??

Not me

I completely agree that there can be abuses. But to say that we cannot defend ourselves from people who want to hurt us is absurd.

 

[Alien Allen]

I completely agree that there can be abuses. But to say that we cannot defend ourselves from people who want to hurt us is absurd.

If somebody is a citizen they deserve all our rights. I don't care to distinguish how they became a citizen unless somebody can prove there is a plot to do so to destroy us.

Preventative detention for a US citizen can never be acceptable. Ever