Prepare for Disappointment

[Minor Axis]

If you want to see a change in leadership away from the Republican Party in the next U.S. Presidential election, plan for disappointment.

I'm not saying McCain is a sure thing but what is very disillusioning is that based on what has happened in the last eight years accumulating in the financial/economic/military crisis we face today that this Presidential race is running neck to neck? I could not believe it when half the country voted for Bush for a second term so why should I be surprised today? McCain adds a hot chick to the ticket and bounces back even with Obama? Must be all of the politically savvy voters out there. :smiley24:

What is most puzzling is the large chunk of working class people who insist on voting for a party that is so clearly against their best economic interests based on that parties pseudo "values". Granted, I view most politically motivated christian values as a sham to fool the average conservative voters, but if people are not smart enough to recognize pseudo "values", at what point will people finally recognize they need to vote their wallets? There are values and there is competence. We've had 7 years of Republican party rule with little of each except I'd say the Republican leadership's primary value has been supporting a system increasingly based on financial greed.

The world might want Obama, but I don't know if American's are smart enough to know what is good for themselves. Are we collective lemmings? Actually I think McCain would be a better leader than Bush considering Bush has been the worst President since WWII, I don't feel like rewarding the Republican party for the mess they've gotten this country in. I'm more than ready to take a chance on Obama

 

[Peter Parka]

Dont think its neccessarily just an American thing, it staggers me the amount of people over here who still think Thatcher was a great prime minister.:eek

 

[dt3]

You saying Palin is only getting a lot of her popularity because she's attractive is the equivalent of me saying Obama is only getting a lot of his popularity because he's black. Of course, both are completely ignorant reasons to base a vote on. But they're also both true in some cases. The ignorance runs across party lines.

 

[lumpenstein]

You saying Palin is only getting a lot of her popularity because she's attractive is the equivalent of me saying Obama is only getting a lot of his popularity because he's black. Of course, both are completely ignorant reasons to base a vote on. But they're also both true in some cases. The ignorance runs across party lines.

True. Image pulls in as many posts as substance does.

 

[Hoffa]

If you want to see a change in leadership away from the Republican Party in the next U.S. Presidential election, plan for disappointment.

I'm not saying McCain is a sure thing but what is very disillusioning is that based on what has happened in the last eight years accumulating in the financial/economic/military crisis we face today that this Presidential race is running neck to neck? I could not believe it when half the country voted for Bush for a second term so why should I be surprised today? McCain adds a hot chick to the ticket and bounces back even with Obama? Must be all of the politically savvy voters out there. :smiley24:

What is most puzzling is the large chunk of working class people who insist on voting for a party that is so clearly against their best economic interests based on that parties pseudo "values". Granted, I view most politically motivated christian values as a sham to fool the average conservative voters, but if people are not smart enough to recognize pseudo "values", at what point will people finally recognize they need to vote their wallets? There are values and there is competence. We've had 7 years of Republican party rule with little of each except I'd say the Republican leadership's primary value has been supporting a system increasingly based on financial greed.

The world might want Obama, but I don't know if American's are smart enough to know what is good for themselves. Are we collective lemmings? Actually I think McCain would be a better leader than Bush considering Bush has been the worst President since WWII, I don't feel like rewarding the Republican party for the mess they've gotten this country in. I'm more than ready to take a chance on Obama

Disappointment ? I am afraid that is understatement !.
Bush has been the most divisive President in history , and that division is growing every day.
Couple that with the fact that millions of Americans are participating in political life , those who shunned it in past . Minorities , young people , people who lived with and suffered with, the GOP for 8 long years , hating every moment , and hoping for relief !.
If we elect more of the same - a Republican dynasty -- McCain , it will rip this country in half --- big time .
Anger , disappointment , and alienation.
A lot of people have a lot hopes and expectations , more than I have ever seen .
If all fails , it will be a disaster in many ways . A really dark day that will fester for years . Not something I want see. >f

 

[Alien Allen]

You democrats got nothing to brag about ya know

Try this one on for size and explain it!! :eek





What do the top 10 cities in the USA, with the highest poverty levels, have in common?



"DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP"...............(SOME WILL SAY BETTER THAN NONE AT ALL.)



1ST...Detroit, MI, Democrats for the last 47 years.

2nd...Buffalo, NY, Democrats for the last 54 years.

3rd...Cincinnati, OH, Democrats for the last 24 years.

4th...Cleveland, OH, Democrats for the last 19 years.

5th...Miami, FL, has never had a Republican Mayor.

6th...St.Louis, MO, Democrats for the last 59 years.

7th...El. Paso, TX, has never had a Republican Mayor.

8th...Milwaukee, WI, Democrats for the last 100 years.

9th...Philadelphia, PA, Democrats for the last 56 years

10th.Newark, NJ, Democrats for the last 101 years.



Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over
and over again and expecting different results.

The disadvantaged habitually elect "Demoncrats" and stay
disadvantaged.......hmmmm.

 

[groundpounder]

I'd sure like to see some research on that...

 

[groundpounder]

...We've had 7 years of Republican party rule with little of each except I'd say the Republican leadership's primary value has been supporting a system increasingly based on financial greed.

one of your finer efforts, MA..:clap
no bid contracts to Haliburton (Cheney's old - sic - stomping ground) with two oilmen at the highest levels of Executive office was a nice 8-year feature as well.:unsure:

...Actually I think McCain would be a better leader than Bush considering Bush has been the worst President since WWII...

the guy that collects my garbage on Fridays would be a better Pres than Bush. A Kucinich/Huckabee ticket (GAG!) would be better than the last 8 years.

Bush's first term was OK and he handled 9-11 out of the gate like a champ (if you can't get stirred by his speech at Ground Zero, you need to turn in your Social Security card and GTFO of the country). but when you go from historic highs in approval ratings to historic lows in the same metric within 36 months, that says something.

Bush got re-elected, thought he had a mandate (his words), thought he could do anything and got lazy. He blew it.

We got nowhere to go but up. Revisionist history is going to be VERY unkind to 43. Bottom 5 easy...

 

[Minor Axis]

You saying Palin is only getting a lot of her popularity because she's attractive is the equivalent of me saying Obama is only getting a lot of his popularity because he's black. Of course, both are completely ignorant reasons to base a vote on. But they're also both true in some cases. The ignorance runs across party lines.

Don't you know that elections in this country have been reduced to beauty contests with a lot of spin thrown in? That's why McCain was sagging until... But I did not say "only", I meant "partially" (regarding Palin). Plus they feel the need to sell her by making up facts as in she's going to reform Washington?

Maybe someone could explain how she reformed the State of Alaska's relationship with oil companies? She won an election over another Republican and that makes here a reformer? Ms. Give-Me-The-Earmarks Palin is tapped on the shoulder by McCain and magically she's now the reformer, the savior of Washington politics?

Sarah Palin, Drill, Drill, Drill All the Way.

one of your finer efforts, MA..:clap
no bid contracts to Haliburton (Cheney's old - sic - stomping ground) with two oilmen at the highest levels of Executive office was a nice 8-year feature as well.:unsure:

Not to mention the absolute corruption of "cost plus" contracts. Some contractors bill the government for whatever they want with zero accountability. It's welfare for the friends of the Administration. Halliburten who reportedly has been paid over 30 billion dollars for their war efforts is just one of them. Who here claims that war has not been turned into big business?

 

[dt3]

Maybe someone could explain how she reformed the State of Alaska's relationship with oil companies? She won an election over another Republican and that makes here a reformer? Ms. Give-Me-The-Earmarks Palin is tapped on the shoulder by McCain and magically she's now the reformer, the savior of Washington politics?

If I'm not mistaken, she renegotiated Alaska's deal with the oil companies regarding profit sharing. This directly resulted in each Alaskan resident receiving more money in their annual check based upon the oil profits. I could be wrong, but that's what Sean Hannity told me.

 

[Minor Axis]

If I'm not mistaken, she renegotiated Alaska's deal with the oil companies regarding profit sharing. This directly resulted in each Alaskan resident receiving more money in their annual check based upon the oil profits. I could be wrong, but that's what Sean Hannity told me.

And how is this a form of reform, reform as in lobbyists, earmarks, slimy DC politics etc? How about earmarks? That would be a good place to start. Then she could reform herself but I would not trust her to get it done. Getting oil companies to cough up a smidgen more of their profits is reform?

What's most sad is at this sad time in the American economy, this Presidential race should be a runaway, not neck and neck. Close to 50% of the American public gets a below average in intelligence. I'm sure a certain person will jump in to tell me it's the Democrats... but we all know who they really are.

 

[Alien Allen]

she did the impossible and kicked the republican machine in Alaska square in the nuts.

you think some little meek smarmy idiot could pull that off?

hardly

you guys are not dealing with a dummy. she was not chosen just because she was female and looked nice. if she bombs at the debate i will be the first to admit it. but i suspect it will end up a wash which is a big win in the end.

 

[Minor Axis]

she did the impossible and kicked the republican machine in Alaska square in the nuts.

Was this a power play among Republicans? Maybe she is a pittbull with lipstick. Pitt bulls with lipstick are ok her, just don't mention pigs with lipstick when your talking to a crowd about McCain's policies.

Ok, so what reforms did she institute?

 

[dt3]

Close to 50% of the American public gets a below average in intelligence. I'm sure a certain person will jump in to tell me it's the Democrats... but we all know who they really are.

First of all, the definition of average means that 50% will be below and 50% will be above. And for you to imply that anyone who would vote Republican must be "below average in intelligence" makes you look like the one lacking intelligence. Intelligent people can disagree without insulting the other side.

 

[Minor Axis]

First of all, the definition of average means that 50% will be below and 50% will be above. And for you to imply that anyone who would vote Republican must be "below average in intelligence" makes you look like the one lacking intelligence. Intelligent people can disagree without insulting the other side.

Allow me to correct that- anybody in this election who goes for McCain is placing their "values" above their common sense. Maybe it's a temporary stupidity?

 

[groundpounder]

now you're backing up again, MA..


*headed back out to the lawyer's office to write you OUT of the will - AGAIN*


please make up your mind - level-headed point maker or idiot savant yellow dog democrat. YOU'RE KILLING ME, SMALLS!!!

 

[Alien Allen]

now you're backing up again, MA..


*headed back out to the lawyer's office to write you OUT of the will - AGAIN*


please make up your mind - level-headed point maker or idiot savant yellow dog democrat. YOU'RE KILLING ME, SMALLS!!!

I would go with the latter.

 

[groundpounder]

you would.... :24:

 

[siasl]

she did the impossible and kicked the republican machine in Alaska square in the nuts.

you think some little meek smarmy idiot could pull that off?

hardly

you guys are not dealing with a dummy. she was not chosen just because she was female and looked nice. if she bombs at the debate i will be the first to admit it. but i suspect it will end up a wash which is a big win in the end.

yeah....i have to agree....she is tough....everybit as tough a politician as hillary
the thought of her in the white house is frightening because she LIKES power....which is maybe no different than most politicians on the surface....but mix it with some social conservatism in this day and age, and.....

hopefully, we'll never find out.

 

[Alien Allen]

yeah....i have to agree....she is tough....everybit as tough a politician as hillary
the thought of her in the white house is frightening because she LIKES power....which is maybe no different than most politicians on the surface....but mix it with some social conservatism in this day and age, and.....

hopefully, we'll never find out.

My are we not paranoid

So a flaming liberal who is consumed with power is better :willy_nilly: