Polygamist Raid in Texas

[Minor Axis]

What do you all think about the Polygamist Raid in Texas (link)?

I have mixed feelings about polygamy, but I have serious doubts about how this raid was conducted. Traditional polygamy is really a cult, whose purpose is to make man the king of the kingdom, reduce women to second class status, and offer man the opportunity for sex with multiple partners including very young women, all wrapped up in the name of religion.

My understanding is that an outside women with no real ties to the group called in a tip. Based on this unsubstantiated tip, the raid was conducted. So the State of Texas allows armed men to storm your house based on just a tip? This is a good example of where the environment of "security" above "liberty" needs to be reexamined in the U.S. So when living in Texas if I want to cause trouble, all I have to do is call in and say "so and so is having sex with minors" then wait for the raid? It does not sound right to me.

I have no problem if multiple people want to live together. If everyone involved is above the age of consent, then it's their right to live how they choose as long as no one is harmed and no laws are broken. But minor children should not be put into situations where they are forced to marry elderly men and consent to sexual relations. However despite suspicions, search warrants use to be based on more than just a tip.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

How it actually happened was an anonymous tip was called in to the CPS, in the state of Texas A REQUIRED VISIT MUST BE MADE ON ALL TIPS.

No questions asked.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Oh and there still is a legal battle going on over this, how it will probably turn out, the state will give the children back. Polygamy isn't near as serious as young girls being raised to have sex underage mind you with men that they see as powerful and infuential.

That's wrong, no matter how you put it. When it was reported that this was happening, that is what instigated the search.

 

[SouthOfHeaven]

all i wanna know is why is it illegal.. .. now before you all jump me.. im not saying i agree with it.. or that iwoudl participate in it.. but why is polygamy illegal?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

all i wanna know is why is it illegal.. .. now before you all jump me.. im not saying i agree with it.. or that iwoudl participate in it.. but why is polygamy illegal?

That is state by state.

The issue wasn't plural marriage, this had to do with underage girls having children.....Like 14-16 year old girls who had already given birth.

 

[SouthOfHeaven]

o i know .. sorry i should have just made another thread asking the question... i understand the issue withthe texas radi.. completely.. i just don't understand why polygamy is illegal itsself...

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

o i know .. sorry i should have just made another thread asking the question... i understand the issue withthe texas radi.. completely.. i just don't understand why polygamy is illegal itsself...

Polygamy being against the law is something decided by the state. Why it's illegal, my honest opinion is that the religious right, thinks they are right, and polygamy is wrong.....Nothing more.

I don't care how many women you marry, frankly if you can stand five of them without jumping off a fucking bridge have at it.

 

[Minor Axis]

How it actually happened was an anonymous tip was called in to the CPS, in the state of Texas A REQUIRED VISIT MUST BE MADE ON ALL TIPS.

No questions asked.

It was not a visit, it was a raid and people were taken into custody based on a feeling that something was not right. This is the type of law enforcement that is so subject to abuse. I have no problem with investigating, taking DNA to confirm suspicions, but it certainly sounds like the authorities in charge over reached.

As far as polygamy being illegal- What they are doing in this compound is technically not illegal. First off the state will not acknowledge multiple spouses, so only the first spouse is legal. Additional spouses as far as the state is concerned are just people who are cohabiting with you.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

It was not a visit, it was a raid and people were taken into custody based on a feeling that something was not right. This is the type of law enforcement that is so subject to abuse. I have no problem with investigating, taking DNA to confirm suspicions, but it certainly sounds like the authorities in charge over reached.

As far as polygamy being illegal- What they are doing in this compound is technically not illegal. First off the state will not acknowledge multiple spouses, so only the first spouse is legal. Additional spouses as far as the state is concerned are just people who are cohabiting with you.

Plural marriage is ILLEGAL at least in Texas. Like I said, what is probably going to happen:

The state will have to return the children, the legal battle over how the evidence was obtained is certainly fruit from the poisoned tree.

I don't give a shit if one man was married to 300 women personally, I only care if children are having the children of the religious freaks.

 

[Peter Parka]

I don't care how many women you marry, frankly if you can stand five of them without jumping off a fucking bridge have at it.

:homo::24:

 

[HisHoliness]

That is state by state.

The issue wasn't plural marriage, this had to do with underage girls having children.....Like 14-16 year old girls who had already given birth.

14-16 you say? Interesting. I've been eying this 17 year old Vietnamese girl I want to adopt.

 

[Minor Axis]

Plural marriage is ILLEGAL at least in Texas.

I think it's illegal in all states, but they get around it by *only* marrying the first wife, the official wife. Because they have not taken any action with the state, the other wives are not seen as wives even if they did have their own private little poly ceremony.

I think this would be hard for the state to prove.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

14-16 you say? Interesting. I've been eying this 17 year old Vietnamese girl I want to adopt.

So? How is that at all relevant?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I think it's illegal in all states, but they get around it by *only* marrying the first wife, the official wife. Because they have not taken any action with the state, the other wives are not seen as wives even if they did have their own private little poly ceremony.

I think this would be hard for the state to prove.

I think you are way too hung up on the plural marriage thing. That really wasn't the reason CPS was called.

CPS could care less how many wives you have.....They are called CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES:unsure:

 

[Minor Axis]

I think you are way too hung up on the plural marriage thing.

What makes you think that? I've all ready stated I don't have a problem with plural marriage among adults, but I'm fairly confident the plural marriage aspect of this compound played a role in decisions the State made as in minors having children. Sounds like your irritated about something.:unsure:

My impression which could be incorrect is that polygamy is illegal in this country today people of certain religious persuasions felt having multiple wives was immoral and were able to get laws passed outlawing it.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

Polygamy became illegal in the US when Utah was admitted. Polygamy was socially unacceptable in the West, and therefore in the US. It was one of those understood rules in the US until the Mormans formed. States started passing laws against polygamy to either force them out or keep them out. When Utah applied for statehood, one of the requirements was to make polygamy illegal.

Al least that is what my food told me last night

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

What makes you think that? I've all ready stated I don't have a problem with plural marriage among adults, but I'm fairly confident the plural marriage aspect of this compound played a role in decisions the State made as in minors having children. Sounds like your irritated about something.:unsure:

My impression which could be incorrect is that polygamy is illegal in this country today people of certain religious persuasions felt having multiple wives was immoral and were able to get laws passed outlawing it.

I am pretty sure the plural marriage took a back seat to the reports...and subsequent proof after the fact albeit that minors were having children.

Which would make an awful lot of those men CHILD MOLETSTERS regardless of anything else they believed in. I don't care what your religion says, 14yr old girls having babies with 40yr olds, is wrong.

 

[Minor Axis]

Which would make an awful lot of those men CHILD MOLETSTERS regardless of anything else they believed in. I don't care what your religion says, 14yr old girls having babies with 40yr olds, is wrong.

Well, at least some of them. I agree with your intent and don't want to see any minors indoctrinated into having sex for religious purposes or any purpose. I just have questions about what basis was used to make the *go* decision.