Politics And Religion

[Peter Parka]

Should they mix?

I reckon generally no but its hard to seperate them sometimes. A persons religion is part of their views and will obviously feature in their political views. I think its wrong though that Catholics are barred from the throne of England and the King or Queen is head of the church of England.

 

[GraceAbounds]

A persons religion is part of their views and will obviously feature in their political views.

You answered your own question.

 

[Dana]

never

 

[Pudding Time]

You answered your own question.

No he didn't..

I believe religion should be completely separate from politics. Personal views should also be left out. Too many political leaders keep trying to do what they think is best for the country, instead of actually looking at the country and seeing exactly what it needs.

 

[NicAuf]

Ideally religion and politics should never cross Pete, but it happens.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The way people think, their philosophies, their spirituality etc. are part of who they are and it is going to effect how they vote, the decisions they make, the way they behave, how they spend their money, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Individual perspective on life seen through a spiritual view will influence how one thinks, sees things, and what they do, just like a negative perspective on life will influence how people think and behave, just like a cynical view will effect how people think and behave, just like a passive view will effect how people think and behave, etc, etc, etc.

It is inevitable and only natural that what we value will cross over into all we do. It is the base and foundation of who we are. And furthermore, to not stand up and make decisions based on who you are and on your convictions only means that one does not have true and strong convictions worth standing up for.

 

[Pudding Time]

I don't care how you conduct yourself in YOUR everyday life. When it comes down to making policies for EVERYONE, YOUR personal beliefs should not come into the picture.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I don't care how you conduct yourself in YOUR everyday life. When it comes down to making policies for EVERYONE, YOUR personal beliefs should not come into the picture.

I totally disagree.

 

[Pudding Time]

I totally disagree.

We know.

 

[GraceAbounds]

We know.

LOL! :24:

Glad to know I've made myself perfectly clear.

 

[NicAuf]

I don't care how you conduct yourself in YOUR everyday life. When it comes down to making policies for EVERYONE, YOUR personal beliefs should not come into the picture.

I totally disagree.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Grace.

Hitler's personal beliefs effected the policies he made and enacted in Germany, and we all saw how that turned out. Horribly.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Grace.

Hey, that's cool. It is one of the things that make the world go around. Also it is from disagreements that we can grow if we are willing to admit that we don't know it all. And I certainly don't know it all and never will.

Hitler's personal beliefs effected the policies he made and enacted in Germany, and we all saw how that turned out. Horribly.

I think we can agree that I am nothing like Hitler though. LOL

 

[Dana]

Hey, that's cool. It is one of the things that make the world go around. Also it is from disagreements that we can grow if we are willing to admit that we don't know it all. And I certainly don't know it all and never will.

I think we can agree that I am nothing like Hitler though. LOL

But this isn't about you. It's about politics.

 

[Dana]

The way people think, their philosophies, their spirituality etc. are part of who they are and it is going to effect how they vote, the decisions they make, the way they behave, how they spend their money, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Individual perspective on life seen through a spiritual view will influence how one thinks, sees things, and what they do, just like a negative perspective on life will influence how people think and behave, just like a cynical view will effect how people think and behave, just like a passive view will effect how people think and behave, etc, etc, etc.

It is inevitable and only natural that what we value will cross over into all we do. It is the base and foundation of who we are. And furthermore, to not stand up and make decisions based on who you are and on your convictions only means that one does not have true and strong convictions worth standing up for.

The thing is... In situations like politics and things that involve others, you need to be in the position where you can stand outside your body and look at the bigger picture not look at things as how you would do them but what is best all around.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The thing is... In situations like politics and things that involve others, you need to be in the position where you can stand outside your body and look at the bigger picture not look at things as how you would do them but what is best all around.

I am very much a big picture thinker. I do think that the way I think is what is best all around, just as many others do about their opinions/knowledge/perspective/outlook etc. Whether others agree with one another is a different story.

I would hope that everyone would strive to think what is best for all. The thing is this though ... people are not going to agree on what is best for everyone ... duh! So we must strive to be the best we can be and go forth on those convictions, values, and morals.

 

[NicAuf]

Hey, that's cool. It is one of the things that make the world go around. Also it is from disagreements that we can grow if we are willing to admit that we don't know it all. And I certainly don't know it all and never will.

I think we can agree that I am nothing like Hitler though. LOL

Yeah I respect everyone's opinions/beliefs (well as long as they're sane opinions/beliefs). Same here about not knowing everything and never will.

Also when I mentioned Hitler, I never meant to compare you to him.

I was just saying that when making policies that effect EVERYBODY, ONE's personal beliefs should not come into play, and used Hitler as an example.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Also when I mentioned Hitler, I never meant to compare you to him.

I know, I know .. I was making a joke.

I was just saying that when making policies that effect EVERYBODY, ONE's personal beliefs should not come into play

Right and what I am saying is that that is impossible. We are what we believe in and everyone is biased to a certain degree.

Example: #1 Say someone really values life. They have strong convictions about it. Why would they vote for abortion to be legal if they have such strong convictions against it and believe that not allowing abortions would be for the betterment of mankind?

#2 Say someone truly values education and a vote for something to do with the betterment of the education system is coming up but it is going to require raising taxes. Should that person not vote to raise taxes for the betterment of education because some people may experience hardship if their taxes go up?

... all I'm saying is this ... what we value is going to come out in how we stand on issues ... it is impossible for that to not take place ...

 

[NicAuf]

Oh ok I thought u meant you thought it should. Now that I see you think it shouldn't but it will, which is true.

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Grace.

Hitler's personal beliefs effected the policies he made and enacted in Germany, and we all saw how that turned out. Horribly.

The thing is, in a truly democratic society and without all the propaganda he would never have got in. I think too many people dont read up enough about candidates before voting. We've got the BNP gaining a level of popularity here in Britain because they keep playing on peoples emotions through propaganda and washing over what they are really about. I cant see them ever being a true political threat though because fortunately enough people can see through them.
At the end of the day though, it's really simple. If you know a candidate has strong religious views which they intend too impose on their political decisions, dont vote for them. I dont know how this would work in the USA which seems to be a lot more religious based than over here but in the UK, a candidate or party who intended to impose their religion on others, simply wouldn't be able to get enough support to get any real power.

 

[LiberalVichy]

Politics IS a religion. It's nothing more than an irrational superstition about 'nations' and impossible collectivist groups like 'society', inculcated so the real acting-existing entity (all us individuals) to sacrifice upon its altar to this god - of course, the state (government) 'represents' this god, just as the churches get all the obediance and money that is allegedly earmarked for 'god'. One can't 'seperate church and state' because the state is a church, with its own priests (politicians) and theologians (intellectuals) and evangelists (popular media). All the inquisitions, forced conversions and religious wars are still here, only now they're done in the name of democracy, or Socialism, or Lebensraum or whatever.