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MP quits union over BNP speaker
A Tory MP has resigned from The Oxford Union in protest at its decision to invite two controversial figures to a free-speech event on Monday. Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party (BNP) and David Irving - jailed for denying the Holocaust - were invited by the union debating society.
Shadow defence minister and MP for New Forest East Dr Julian Lewis said the students should be "ashamed".
The Oxford Union said it was important to give people of all views a platform.
Mr Griffin has repeatedly insisted the BNP is not a racist group.
'Couple of scoundrels'
He was convicted in 1998 for incitement to racial hatred for material denying the Holocaust.
Mr Irving was imprisoned for three years after pleading guilty to Holocaust denial in Austria.




In a letter to the union's officers and standing committee, Dr Lewis said he was resigning his life membership "with great sadness". The MP, who studied at Balliol and St Antony's colleges, said the right to free speech should not guarantee access to privileged platforms.
"Nothing which happens in Monday's debate can possibly offset the boost you are giving to a couple of scoundrels who can put up with anything except being ignored," he said.
"It is sheer vanity on your part to imagine that any argument you deploy, or any vote you carry will succeed in causing them damage.


"They have been exposed and discredited time and again by people vastly more qualified than you in arenas hugely more suited to the task than an undergraduate talking-shop, however venerable."
Trevor Phillips, chair of the Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, told BBC1's Andrew Marr Show: "I think it is an absolute disgrace.
"As a former president of the National Union of Students I'm ashamed that this has happened.
"This is not a question of freedom of speech, this is a juvenile provocation."




The invitation has been opposed by the Oxford Student Union and the university's Muslim and Jewish societies.
However, on Friday the debating society voted by a margin of two to one to continue to extend the invitations to Mr Griffin and Mr Irving.
Hundreds of protesters are expected to gather at the university on Monday.
Existing laws
But Liberal Democrat MP Evan Harris, who is billed to speak at the forum, said it was the "views of these extremists which are a disgrace" and "not their right to hold their views".
"I have spent my whole political life opposing racism and bigotry, but it is vital to demonstrate that they will be defeated within our existing laws.
"The measure of our country's respect for free expression is our willingness to allow it for the most objectionable and offensive lawful speech, not just for those with whom we agree."





Simon Darby, BNP spokesman, described the expected protests as "very misguided".
"This event is a big breakthrough for our party to spread its message in democratic surroundings.
"It is ironic you have got people shouting 'fascism' while campaigning in the face of the process of democracy.
"Nick is looking forward to the event. It is easy to ignore the protests."




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It is offensive to many Americans. ;)

Personally, I laugh at folks that deny the holocaust or 9/11. They are tripping as far as I'm concerned. But I wouldn't jail them for being ignorant.
 

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They wern't just being ignorant, they were printing it in pamphlets and preying on gulliable people with propaganda who have had enough of the immigration policy. There have been race riots in a few towns and people killed because of them spreading stuff like this. This isn't just one person with silly views, its a political party which has been gaining a worrying amount of power in recent years by spreading lies and decieving people.
 

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We don't arrest people over here for saying the Holocaust didn't happen or for printing that it didn't happen etc. I'm sure you knew this already though.

So you have a political party over there that runs for office based on crap like that eh? I find that hilarious. It is hard for me to believe that people don't just laugh at them. I mean - how absurd!
 

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So you have a political party over there that runs for office based on crap like that eh? I find that hilarious. It is hard for me to believe that people don't just laugh at them. I mean - how absurd!
Heck, we have Democrats :dunno

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I think it would be a good learning experience, if anything to just get another point of view out, even if they are ignorant.

Jailing them for denying the holocaust is stupid.
 

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People from Oxford are supposed to be intelligent, yes? It was once said that true intelligence is the ability to listen to anything without losing your temper. How was this guy on the staff?:wtf:
 

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We don't arrest people over here for saying the Holocaust didn't happen or for printing that it didn't happen etc. I'm sure you knew this already though.

So you have a political party over there that runs for office based on crap like that eh? I find that hilarious. It is hard for me to believe that people don't just laugh at them. I mean - how absurd!

People in the USA have been decieved by polititians too. How else do you explain the initial support for the war in Iraq which was based on a lie? And yes, we do jail people over here for threatening the well being of innocent people just because they dislike the colour of their skin and I am very glad for that. It's a great comfort to me to know that there are laws that protect friends of mine from prejudice and violence because someone wants to spread a load of shit about them.
 

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Yes of course we have people that are deceived by others. We don't arrest them though.

Saying the holocaust or that 9/11 didn't happen does not equate to threatening people with violence.

I must not being understanding you.

Are you saying that you have a political party over there that threatens your friends with violence by saying the Holocaust didn't happen?
 

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People in the USA have been decieved by polititians too. How else do you explain the initial support for the war in Iraq which was based on a lie? And yes, we do jail people over here for threatening the well being of innocent people just because they dislike the colour of their skin and I am very glad for that. It's a great comfort to me to know that there are laws that protect friends of mine from prejudice and violence because someone wants to spread a load of shit about them.

Freedom of speech does have its dark side, I have to agree on this one.:homo:jk
 

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Yes of course we have people that are deceived by others. We don't arrest them though.

Saying the holocaust or that 9/11 didn't happen does not equate to threatening people with violence.

I must not being understanding you.

Are you saying that you have a political party over there that threatens your friends with violence by saying the Holocaust didn't happen?

Shame you don't arrest them or maybe the innocent bloodshed George Bush caused could have been averted.:p

As for the other stuff you have misunderstood me completely. What they did say did cause violence. It started off race riots in several towns where people were killed. It's all very well to say that people shouldn't be so stupid but unfortunately many people are and they really don't need a trigger to behave in this way.
 

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Yes of course we have people that are deceived by others. We don't arrest them though.

Saying the holocaust or that 9/11 didn't happen does not equate to threatening people with violence.

I must not being understanding you.

Are you saying that you have a political party over there that threatens your friends with violence by saying the Holocaust didn't happen?
I think hes saying that the British government stops that sort of thing from being said. I was in London back when the UK was backing us in Iraq and outside Parliament were a bunch of signs that people put up at night condemning the UK's support. they can be arrested for anything viewed as treasonous.
 

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Shame you don't arrest them or maybe the innocent bloodshed George Bush caused could have been averted.:p

As for the other stuff you have misunderstood me completely. What they did say did cause violence. It started off race riots in several towns where people were killed. It's all very well to say that people shouldn't be so stupid but unfortunately many people are and they really don't need a trigger to behave in this way.

could you explain innocent bloodshed?
 

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As for the other stuff you have misunderstood me completely. What they did say did cause violence. It started off race riots in several towns where people were killed. It's all very well to say that people shouldn't be so stupid but unfortunately many people are and they really don't need a trigger to behave in this way.
That's horrible Peter. :(
 

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I think hes saying that the British government stops that sort of thing from being said. I was in London back when the UK was backing us in Iraq and outside Parliament were a bunch of signs that people put up at night condemning the UK's support. they can be arrested for anything viewed as treasonous.

Whoa. That doesn't sound right at all.
I didn't realize their freedom of speech was so squelched over there.
 
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