Obama Breaks Ties with his Church

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nTejas

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How can someone turn their back on their own church after 20 years of attendance.

To see the entire congregation get up and cheer when the racist/sexist "Father" from the church gave his so called "sermon". Looked like "Comedy Central" at the Improve or something. And to think this is the church that Obama went to for 20 years. He should have used used that "superior" judgment when selecting a church. The same so called judgment he often brags about when he says he "did not vote for the war."
 
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I laugh when he says he didn't vote for the war...because he wasn't in Congress when the war was voted on! :D
 

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It's funny when people call these guys 'our leaders', when they're nothing but complete conformist followers without a shred of integrity. He abandoned his church because all he cares about is power.
 

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It's funny when people call these guys 'our leaders', when they're nothing but complete conformist followers without a shred of integrity. He abandoned his church because all he cares about is power.

I disagree with that. Albeit we will never know the true and deep seeded drive of these people, what it is that motivates them to succeed. We can draw conclusions based on their walk so far. I have invested much of my time to listening to Obama and I have personally questioned his motives. Is this guy for real? What's in it for him? Will he be another run of the mill politician?
And from what I've seen and heard (his actions, his words) I believe that he is not in this for the power, that he is not in this for himself. That he truly wants change for all Americans.
Again, we will never truly know his heart... but I like what I see so far, and time will tell.
 

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Obama is in a position wherein he may become the top politician in the land. If you think he got there without being a deceitful, manipulative and amoral piece of garbage then you're being incredibly naive. It's hard for us normal people to understand just what sort of motivations and behaviours determine these people's lives, but trying to attribute ignorance and confusion to these people is what has kept this system of tyrrany and lies going for thousands of years. These are not normal human beings, these are sociopaths whose entire life is predicated around lying to and controlling other human beings.
 

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Your views on politicians may be accurate to a point, but it cannot be cast upon every one of them in such a blanket statement like that.
I am very far from naive and as I said, time will tell for sure. But I refuse to throw derogatory blanket statements over ANY group of individuals, even politicians. Because when I do, then there will no point in getting out of bed in the morning.

Not every member of every group takes on the persona of said group. There are and will always be individuals who will stand out and make a difference. I'm hoping Obama is one of them.
 

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But I refuse to throw derogatory blanket statements over ANY group of individuals, even politicians. Because when I do, then there will no point in getting out of bed in the morning.
Let me put that into my language and see if we can clarify it.
"But I refuse to throw derogatory blanket statements over ANY group of individuals, even professional gangsters."
The day I don't call a professional gangster a son-of-a-bitch is the day I don't get out of bed.
 

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Let me put that into my language and see if we can clarify it.
"But I refuse to throw derogatory blanket statements over ANY group of individuals, even professional gangsters."
The day I don't call a professional gangster a son-of-a-bitch is the day I don't get out of bed.

Excellent spin.
 

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How can someone turn their back on their own church after 20 years of attendance.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. If he leaves he's "turning his back on his church." If he stays he supports psycho preacher guy and thusly hates America.

I laugh when he says he didn't vote for the war...because he wasn't in Congress when the war was voted on! :D
:24: Would you please just stop paying attention and get with the program here?! Gosh!!

If you think he got there without being a deceitful, manipulative and amoral piece of garbage then you're being incredibly naive. It's hard for us normal people to understand just what sort of motivations and behaviours determine these people's lives, but trying to attribute ignorance and confusion to these people is what has kept this system of tyrrany and lies going for thousands of years. These are not normal human beings, these are sociopaths whose entire life is predicated around lying to and controlling other human beings.

Just when I think I'm starting to see a genuinely, rational person you throw something like this out there. Out of one side of your mouth you're telling us that it's hard for us normal people to understand the lives of our elected leaders, but in the same breath you accuse somebody of being a child if they don't believe those very lives are exactly as 100% corrupt as you insist they must be.

It is my intention to one day throw my hat into the political arena. I by no stretch of any imagination could describe myself as a sociopath who's entire life is predicated around lying to and controlling other human beings.

On Obama specifically, I'm not impressed. On first pass, he's amazing. I could go on and on about how impressive he seems, but I think it's a common idea, so I'll save the virtual tree. The more I learn about him though, the less I like him. He doesn't view this country as the great country I believe it to be. He's very much an internationalist, which I don't see as a particularly attractive quality in a president.

His theme has latched on to what most Americans really want. A unified government, and a direction for the country. He calls it change. He speaks all the time about being this great unifier, but how exactly will he unify? What conservative ideals will he stand with in order to bring us to the table? The unity he speaks of is the silencing of his critics and the desire to have everybody fall in line with his liberal ideals.

I think he has the right idea about changing course in areas that have been stalemated for decades, but I question the course he says he wants to chart.

IMHO, Mr. Obama would make a fantastic political adviser today, and perhaps with 10-15 years of political experience under his belt will make a great leader, but today I think he is a very poor choice.
 

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Let me put that into my language and see if we can clarify it.
"But I refuse to throw derogatory blanket statements over ANY group of individuals, even professional gangsters."
The day I don't call a professional gangster a son-of-a-bitch is the day I don't get out of bed.
this was completely stupid
 

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On Obama specifically, I'm not impressed. On first pass, he's amazing. I could go on and on about how impressive he seems, but I think it's a common idea, so I'll save the virtual tree. The more I learn about him though, the less I like him. He doesn't view this country as the great country I believe it to be. He's very much an internationalist, which I don't see as a particularly attractive quality in a president.

His theme has latched on to what most Americans really want. A unified government, and a direction for the country. He calls it change. He speaks all the time about being this great unifier, but how exactly will he unify? What conservative ideals will he stand with in order to bring us to the table? The unity he speaks of is the silencing of his critics and the desire to have everybody fall in line with his liberal ideals.

I think he has the right idea about changing course in areas that have been stalemated for decades, but I question the course he says he wants to chart.
Agree'd.
 

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His leaving his church did nothing to change my view on the issue. He should have left that racist church a long time ago. There is no way you can be a part of a church for 20 YEARS and not know your Pastor and all of your brother and sisters there don't have that outlook. He is a liar in regards to this particular issue.
 

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His leaving his church did nothing to change my view on the issue. He should have left that racist church a long time ago. The is no way you can be a part of a church for 20 YEARS and not know your Pastor and all of your brother and sisters there don't have that outlook. He is a liar in regards to this particular issue.

...exactly...he turned his back on his church....what's next ....? Obama turns his back on his country?
 

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Has anybody in this thread heard of Jean-Bertrand Aristide?

Not me.

On Obama specifically, I'm not impressed. On first pass, he's amazing. I could go on and on about how impressive he seems, but I think it's a common idea, so I'll save the virtual tree. The more I learn about him though, the less I like him. He doesn't view this country as the great country I believe it to be. He's very much an internationalist, which I don't see as a particularly attractive quality in a president.

His theme has latched on to what most Americans really want. A unified government, and a direction for the country. He calls it change. He speaks all the time about being this great unifier, but how exactly will he unify? What conservative ideals will he stand with in order to bring us to the table? The unity he speaks of is the silencing of his critics and the desire to have everybody fall in line with his liberal ideals.

I think he has the right idea about changing course in areas that have been stalemated for decades, but I question the course he says he wants to chart.

IMHO, Mr. Obama would make a fantastic political adviser today, and perhaps with 10-15 years of political experience under his belt will make a great leader, but today I think he is a very poor choice.

Looking for a good Obama debate from Tim. :D
 
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