NY to pay bounty for illegal gun owners...

[Jackass master]

If you see something, say something.

Not that we are following the lead of Nazi Germany or Stalin's USSR . . .

State: $500 reward for turning in illegal gun owners

ALBANY – A program aimed at rewarding people who blow the whistle on illegal gun owners has yet to show significant results, says three police agencies in the New York. In February of 2012, 11 months before the passage of the NY SAFE Act, Governor Cuomo’s office announced a four pronged initiative to curb gun violence. One of the programs was a cash reward for citizens who lead police to the arrest and confiscation of illegal fire arms.

Known as the “Gun Tip Line”, New Yorkers can call a toll free hotline to alert police if they believe someone they know has an illegal gun. The call would be picked up by state police and local law enforcement would be notified if the tip seemed reliable. If there was an arrest the tipster would receive as much as $500.

“This initiative seeks to turn neighbor against neighbor and use their own tax dollars to pay for the $500 reward,” said Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin, R-Melrose.

Three police agencies CBS6 reached out to for comment said they have yet to get a tip from state police, let alone make an arrest. Two of the agencies said they were unaware of the program until they received a letter from the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services earlier this week. John Tedesco, City of Troy Police Chief, says he was aware of the state’s program, but questioned whether or not the public was aware. “The average citizen doesn't equate with the Governor's office,” said Chief Tedesco. “It is their local PD, that is who they are going to call first.”

The process of police investigating and ultimately showing up at someone’s home, upon a tip, could be lengthy, said Tedesco. “You simply can't appear at someone’s doorstep, bust a door down, go in take a weapon and try to go to a judge later (and say) ‘well your honor we thought this was going to happen’”, said Tedesco. “They (judges) want to see the proof.”

Read More at: http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/featu...ers-7024.shtml
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[Joe the meek]

NY is a screwed up state to begin with.

When the apple got hit by 9/11, everyone was screaming revenge on the muslims.

Fact is, most everyone outside of NYC and Albany had hoped that NYC would be swallowed by the Atlantic never to be seen or heard from again. Sorry, it's just a fact that NYC and Albany run the state and dictate what they think is right to the rest of the state.

 

[Accountable]

I could see such a program expand to include illegal drug possession, illegal soda owners ..... ya think they'll pay for reporting illegal aliens?

 

[Jackass master]

I could see such a program expand to include illegal drug possession, illegal soda owners ..... ya think they'll pay for reporting illegal aliens?

If you report aliens you will probably get an audit from the IRS. I think it is ripe for vendettas between neighbors. I once had a neighbor ask me how I could have automatic weapons after a few of us had a session on my gun range. I politely informed him that what he heard was several semi-automatics at the same time. Did not bother to tell him the local chief of police was one of the shooters.

 

[Accountable]

A New Jersey family is considering taking legal action after their home was raided by police and state bureaucrats responding to a Facebook photo of their son posing with a legally owned firearm.

Four local police officers and two officials from the New Jersey Dept. of Children and Families the home of Shawn Moore in the Salem County township of Carneys Point. The officials demanded to see the home owners’ guns.


Moore, a firearms instructor, posted a photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle on Facebook Tuesday. Shortly thereafter, an anoymous call was placed to the family services agency, Moore’s attorney, Evan Nappen, told Fox News.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/20/c...photo-of-child-posing-with-gun/#ixzz2OJbr4DmJ

 

[Jackass master]

They responded to something stupid like that with 4 cops and 2 social workers. It is a friggin .22 for gods sake. One more reason for no registration, no lists. He did exactly what i have done in the past. No warrant? Get the f**k out. They never came back.

 

[Joe the meek]

They responded to something stupid like that with 4 cops and 2 social workers. It is a friggin .22 for gods sake. One more reason for no registration, no lists. He did exactly what i have done in the past. No warrant? Get the f**k out. They never came back.

It's a .22, but to someone who dosen't know what they're looking at, it would be easy to understand why it would look like an "assault rifle" (which it does by the way lol).

That said, two thoughts come to mind about the picture...

1. Nice gun handling as far as the finger off the trigger
2. It doesn't take a smart person to realize that posting a boy with an "assault rifle" looking weapon on FACEBOOK may not be the smartest thing to do, particularly when you live in New Jersey lol

 

[Alien Allen]

is there a law in NJ where it is against the law for a minor to hold a gun? If not then the ACLU should go after the agencies. It is getting to the point of being absurd.

Having said that I would not post a similar picture just because there are PC jerks out there that have to get their noses into everybody elses business

 

[Jackass master]

While it may be poor timing with all the gun law hoopla there is nothing wrong with a young man using the normal social media to show off his first gun. He is properly trained and just like my boys has had safety drilled into him. Just as you say a bunch of nosy SOB's worrying about other folks business. Too much of that goes on today.:mad

 

[Joe the meek]

While it may be poor timing with all the gun law hoopla there is nothing wrong with a young man using the normal social media to show off his first gun. He is properly trained and just like my boys has had safety drilled into him. Just as you say a bunch of nosy SOB's worrying about other folks business. Too much of that goes on today.:mad

Long story short, put something like that on a facebook page for the world to see, letting people know who YOU are is asking for problems AND is kind of stupid. The guy lives in fricken New Jesery. He should of been smarter, then again if he was smart at all, he would move, so enough said.

 

[Jackass master]

There is a move underway to repeal the stupid turn in your neighbor law.
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Assemblyman Bill Nojay, R-Pittsford, is calling on the state to scrap a tip line to report illegal firearms.
Nojay, in his first term in the state Legislature, recently reacted to a leaked memo sent by the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services to the State Association of Chiefs of Police. In response, Nojay has sent a letter to Michael Green, executive deputy commissioner of the Division of Criminal Justice Services, asking him to terminate the newly-expanded program.
The memo described a tip line that residents can use to anonymously report their neighbors for illegal firearm possession. If information provided leads to an arrest, the “tipster” will be awarded $500.
According to the memo, this program is also targeted at Upstate New York, with a plan to roll out a “comprehensive campaign” to spread the word, which will include “public service announcements that will air on television and radio stations across Upstate.”
“The program described in this leaked memo is truly disturbing,” Nojay, who represents the City of Hornell in the Assembly, said in a press release. “A year ago, this program was designed for urban communities with high rates of gun violence.
Now, they are specifically targeting the law-abiding citizens of Upstate by trying to turn neighbors into informants. The governor can claim that this program is old news, but he has just made countless guns illegal that can now be phoned in on this tip line. He is raising the stakes in his assault on the rights of law-abiding citizens.”
Nojay’s letter to Executive Deputy Commissioner Green calls on him to “terminate the newly revised and expanded informant program known as the Gun Tip Line.” He notes that the program was designed exclusively for areas with high rates of gun violence and that the new expansion does not target gun violence. Its only purpose is to try to enforce the “unenforceable” SAFE Act.
Nojay said it is wrong for state police to oversee local law enforcement’s follow-up on every tip because it is offensive to the independence of local law enforcement and a “radical expansion of state power.”

 

[Alien Allen]

bit by bit they find ways to go after the 2nd amendment

when they get a gun registry (which they will eventually) then it will all fall into place

the govt has a different definition of liberty than many of us

 

[Jackass master]

They can pass all the laws they want, but folks won't comply anymore than the criminals do now.

 

[Joe the meek]

A question for all you smart people...

Even if the cops get a tip that someone has a gun by illegal means, is that "tip" justification for a search warrant for the police to search your premises to look for an illegal gun? A dumb guy like me is guessing the answer is no.

 

[Accountable]

I agree that it shouldn't be justification, but I'm not sure that it wouldn't be.

 

[The Man]

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/20/c...photo-of-child-posing-with-gun/#ixzz2OJbr4DmJ

From the link

The Dept. of Children and Families has a child abuse hotline that anyone can make a call to. The organization is required to follow up on “every single allegation that comes into the central registry,” the department’s spokesperson, Kristen Brown, told Fox News.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/20/c...photo-of-child-posing-with-gun/#ixzz2OnUX1v9X

Perhaps some calls "on" those who make the laws is in order.

I doubt if they will be raided.

What we have here is abuse of the law...knocking on the door by one person should have sufficed.

 

[The Man]

A question for all you smart people...

Even if the cops get a tip that someone has a gun by illegal means, is that "tip" justification for a search warrant for the police to search your premises to look for an illegal gun? A dumb guy like me is guessing the answer is no.

I dont know...but I did recently read where a meth raid turned out to be a family making home made maple syrup..I remember reading it was a full blown raid.
Someone had called in on the family.

IMO it should be enough to start an investigation..{watch the place etc.}..and if there is evidence to support the claim then go through with it...but simple tips should not be enough...unless we are talking kidnapping murder etc...and then if they do find anything illegal other than murder kidnapping etc,then to bad.

 

[Joe the meek]

I dont know...but I did recently read where a meth raid turned out to be a family making home made maple syrup..I remember reading it was a full blown raid.
Someone had called in on the family.

IMO it should be enough to start an investigation..{watch the place etc.}..and if there is evidence to support the claim then go through with it...but simple tips should not be enough...unless we are talking kidnapping murder etc...and then if they do find anything illegal other than murder kidnapping etc,then to bad.

The meth raid was in an area that wasn't known for producing maple syrup. They showed up at the home and went away without ever going inside the home. Easy mistake which I could understand.

The fact is the police can not get a search warrant to go through your home just due to one "tip".

Hell, the judges wouldn't allow it as they wouldn't want to be bothered so much just on "tips" alone. They really don't go handing out search warrants like candy you know.

So...if someone is STUPID enough to allow the police in their own home without a search warrant, I'd argue that they we're mentally incapacitated to the point where they shouldn't be able to own a gun to begin with.

 

[Accountable]

To support your point:

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguilar–Spinelli_test

The Aguilar–Spinelli test was a judicial guideline set down by the U.S. Supreme Court for evaluating the validity of a search warrant based on information provided by a confidential informant or an anonymous tip. The Supreme Court abandoned the Aguilar–Spinelli test in Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983), in favor of a rule that evaluates the reliability of the information under the "totality of the circumstances." However, Alaska, Massachusetts, New York, Tennessee, Vermont, and Washington have retained the Aguilar–Spinelli test, based on their own state constitutions.
The two "prongs" of the test are that, when law enforcement seeks a search warrant and a magistrate signs a warrant:

1. The magistrate must be informed of the reasons to support the conclusion that such an informant is reliable and credible.
2. The magistrate must be informed of some of the underlying circumstances relied on by the person providing the information.[SUP][1][/SUP]

This information provided to a magistrate will allow the magistrate to make an independent evaluation of the probable cause that a crime has been or will be committed.

^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] Spinelli v. United States (393 U.S. 410)