November Ballot Proposal Would Limit Where Military Recruitment Ctrs Could Be Built

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Initiative Targets Military Recruitment
November Ballot Proposal Would Limit Where Centers Could Be Built, Require Public Hearing
By TAYLOR FIFE
Contributing Writer
Thursday, January 24, 2008
Category: News > City > City Council
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Code Pink protests at a local military recruitment office. A proposed ballot initiative would make it harder for these offices to be built.


In response to a Marine Corps recruiting office established in Berkeley last year, local activists are trying to make it more difficult for future recruiting centers to open in the city.

If passed by a majority of Berkeley voters, a proposed initiative would require military recruiting offices and private military companies in Berkeley to first acquire a special use permit.

To obtain this permit, a business must hold public hearings and a public comment period.

If the initiative passes, recruitment offices could not be opened within 600 feet of residential districts, public parks, public health clinics, public libraries, schools or churches.

Currently, a recruiting office is held to the same standards as most other businesses, which do not require a public hearing or have limits on where offices can be established.

The author of the initiative, Berkeley-based lawyer Sharon Adams, modeled the initiative after current zoning law that restricts the location of adult-oriented businesses.

"In the same way that many communities limit the location of pornographic stores, that's the same way we feel about the military recruiting stations," said PhoeBe sorgen, an initiative proponent and a member of the city's Peace and Justice Commission. "Teenagers that really want to find them will be able to seek them out and find them, but we don't want them in our face."

The initiative lists complaints against the military including the invasion of Iraq, abuses at Abu Ghraib, discrimination based on sexual orientation and recruiters who mislead potential recruits about benefits and duties.

Recruiters from the office declined to comment.

The primary purpose of the new zoning law would be to protect young people from undue influence from military recruiters, supporters say.

"We feel that as a community we need to protect the youth," Adams said. "We're trying to level the playing field."

Berkeley Councilmember Dona Spring said she supports the wording of the initiative, but said she would prefer the issue be passed by council so it can be enacted faster rather than waiting for the initiative to be placed on the ballot in November.

"I think we should just go ahead and pass it," she said. "We can't take everything to the voters."

But some proponents are hesitant to pass the ordinance through the council because they feel it might be watered down by other council members.

In addition to making it more difficult for future military recruiting centers to be established, Spring also said she would support action that would remove the current office, which is in her district.

"I do want to do something, whatever we can do, to shut down an agency that � offends our public standards," she said. "It's a detriment, it's a danger to the public."

Code Pink has staged demonstrations against the recruitment center every Wednesday in front of the center on Shattuck Avenue since Sept. 26.

The Marine Recruitment Center, which has been located in Berkeley since mid-2007, is the only military recruitment center in Berkeley.

Proponents hope that this ordinance will become a template for communities around the country to follow.

"We hope this is a model for other places," Adams said. "I have already gotten e-mails from people trying to duplicate this."
 
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I think it is crap. These people would not even be allowed to protest if it were not for our men and women in uniform. Ungrateful and ignorant is their behavior imo. Minors can not join the military w/o parental consent. This is not about them protecting young people, this is about them not agreeing with the war.
 

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I think it is crap. These people would not even be allowed to protest if it were not for our men and women in uniform. Ungrateful and ignorant is their behavior imo. Minors can not join the military w/o parental consent. This is not about them protecting young people, this is about them not agreeing with the war.


Don't tell the all knowing and never wrong liberals that.. To them the military is evil.
 

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Yea limiting military recruitment is a good thing.... :wtf:
If people want to sign up, they'll go to a recruitment office. Don't worry about it.


Don't tell the all knowing and never wrong liberals that.. To them the military is evil.
Except not. A military is necessary.
 

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If people want to sign up, they'll go to a recruitment office. Don't worry about it.



Except not. A military is necessary.


And exactly who are those recruitment offices hurting?
 

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People should not have to deal with anyone lying, that is besides the point.

My DH was a recruiter for over 3 years in the military. He was in charge of his recruiting office. Lying is not how they are trained to recruit anyone.
 

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People should not have to deal with anyone lying, that is besides the point.

My DH was a recruiter for over 3 years in the military. He was in charge of his recruiting office. Lying is not how they are trained to recruit anyone.
I have many people I know personally who would say otherwise, and one of them is a recruiter. They always lie to make things seem more interesting/attractive to get people to sign.
 

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People shouldn't have to deal with lying recruiters bugging them constantly on a daily basis.


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Oh noes lying recruiters!! I've been out of high school for nearly 10 years now. I've lived around many recruitment offices, and never ever have I been "bugged on a daily basis" by "lying recruiters." Hell even when I was fresh out of high school, I never got bugged. Our school even had a friggin military day..
 

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I have many people I know personally who would say otherwise, and one of them is a recruiter. They always lie to make things seem more interesting/attractive to get people to sign.
Then they are not doing as they were trained and you should question the character of the friends that you choose to hang out with.
 

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Oh noes lying recruiters!! I've been out of high school for nearly 10 years now. I've lived around many recruitment offices, and never ever have I been "bugged on a daily basis" by "lying recruiters." Hell even when I was fresh out of high school, I never got bugged. Our school even had a friggin military day..
Dependson where you live, really.
 

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Then they are not doing as they were trained and you should question the character of the friends that you choose to hang out with.
Don't question who I accompany myself with.


As a matter of fact, if you really want to know, recruiters are ORDERED to "dress things up" when talking to potential recruits by higher ups.
 

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Who gave you your member title AEF? You should use your rep and change that. :eek
 

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Don't question who I accompany myself with.


As a matter of fact, if you really want to know, recruiters are ORDERED to "dress things up" when talking to potential recruits by higher ups.
I was not being ugly. If I had friends that were admitting to me that they were lying to people about a major life decision I would question hanging out with them plain and simple.

Did you read the part where I stated that my DH was in charge of a recruiting station? They do not train the recruiters to lie. Do they talk about the positives of joining? Of course they do. Why shouldn't they?
 

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I've got friends in the marines and some ex marines. They all told me to not go to a recruiter by myself because they will tell me any ol' bullshit to get me to join.
 

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I've got friends in the marines and some ex marines. They all told me to not go to a recruiter by myself because they will tell me any ol' bullshit to get me to join.


And if people believe that shit then they fail at not being gulliable..
 
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