National Security, how much is too much when it comes to keeping us safe?

[Eridanus]

With the war in "Terrorism", and the talk of a National ID cards gains momentum I ask you, what do you think is the best way to keep your country safe? Do you think your government is on target as to the best way to protect its citizens? Do you think sacrificing individual privacy is worth it?

 

[dt3]

If the government wants to listen to me talk to Amber to make sure we're not going to kill thousands of civilians, I'm fine with that. If the Patriot Act or whatever else the government is doing stops one terrorist attack, then whatever they do is fine with me. There's no way to be 100% safe, but I think we're moving in the right direction.

 

[memento_mori]

i think its a slippery slope and we should keep our privacy protected

 

[Tim]

If the government wants to listen to me talk to Amber to make sure we're not going to kill thousands of civilians, I'm fine with that. If the Patriot Act or whatever else the government is doing stops one terrorist attack, then whatever they do is fine with me. There's no way to be 100% safe, but I think we're moving in the right direction.

You may feel this way now, but what happens when your life changes and things are different? When you allow the government to have total access to your personal life, you have to ask the question, Who is it that is listening in on me? What will they do with this information that is collected? How will this affect my life later down the road?
Why should I have to worry that what I may have said years ago might affect my ability of getting a job with a large corporation? How do you know that your information will be safe guarded and never be looked at by someone with the right price?

The second we start giving up our individual rights, that this country was based on, is the second that the terrorists win.

Instead of taking our freedoms, our government needs to stop spreading fear and do their jobs.

The Bush administration has no problem building databases and conducting warrent less wire taps, yet it allows our boarders to remain open to all. They have got to be fucking kidding... just leave the fucking door open to every terrorist on the planet... it's ok, we will just listen to the phone calls, datamine e-mails, collect information on all the legal citizens of the US... Hell, we can do that, they will allow us to do it as long as we keep them in fear....

I would rather take my chances with another terrorist attack then give away just one of my rights. I'm 100 times more likely to die on my way to work anyway....

 

[Homer]

]If the government wants to listen to me talk to Amber to make sure we're not going to kill thousands of civilians, I'm fine with that. If the Patriot Act or whatever else the government is doing stops one terrorist attack, then whatever they do is fine with me. There's no way to be 100% safe, but I think we're moving in the right direction.[/quote]
:withstupid:

 

[All Else Failed]

The best way to keep us safe is to stop having an interventionist policy.

 

[dt3]

The best way to keep us safe is to stop having an interventionist policy.

How'd the whole Isolationist thing work out for us before?

 

[All Else Failed]

If the government wants to listen to me talk to Amber to make sure we're not going to kill thousands of civilians, I'm fine with that. If the Patriot Act or whatever else the government is doing stops one terrorist attack, then whatever they do is fine with me. There's no way to be 100% safe, but I think we're moving in the right direction.

Why are you comfortable with a document that curtails our freedoms so sharply?

 

[All Else Failed]

How'd the whole Isolationist thing work out for us before?

Nonintervention is different from isolationist. We can keep an open face with the world, just not try to rule it.

 

[dt3]

Why are you comfortable with a document that curtails our freedoms so sharply?

Because I believe it keeps the nation safe. How many domestic terrorist acts have been carried out since it was enacted? How many times have you noticed losing any freedom?

 

[dt3]

Nonintervention is different from isolationist. We can keep an open face with the world, just not try to rule it.

Would we drop out of the UN? They intervene a lot.

 

[GraceAbounds]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."


Edmund Burke

 

[All Else Failed]

Because I believe it keeps the nation safe. How many domestic terrorist acts have been carried out since it was enacted? How many times have you noticed losing any freedom?

You seem to miss the point that its the principal of it all. Democracies do not have laws that imprison people without a trial. Its completely unconstitutional. You may think "Hey, I don't have anything to worry about because it doesn't affect me!" Well, once you let this slide, you're going to let another thing slide, then another and another. Any law that applies to everyone in the US, including terrorist and YOU, effects you. Even if they SUSPECT you are even dissenting in the wrong way you can be whisked away to a nice private cell and keep you there for life if they choose.

 

[All Else Failed]

Would we drop out of the UN? They intervene a lot.

That is a coalition of nations, INCLUDING the nation being questioned. They have a vote on whether to act on something or not, as opposed to us just moving into a country and directly intervening.

 

[dt3]

You seem to miss the point that its the principal of it all. Democracies do not have laws that imprison people without a trial. Its completely unconstitutional. You may think "Hey, I don't have anything to worry about because it doesn't affect me!" Well, once you let this slide, you're going to let another thing slide, then another and another. Any law that applies to everyone in the US, including terrorist and YOU, effects you. Even if they SUSPECT you are even dissenting in the wrong way you can be whisked away to a nice private cell and keep you there for life if they choose.

IMO, terrorists shouldn't have the privilege of OUR Constitutional Rights, since they seem to hate them so much.

 

[memento_mori]

how do we know they're terrorists?

 

[GuesSAngel]

I have a huge problem with the government listening in or doing whatever it's doing in my life. It's called my freedom. And as of now, it's starting to be taken away from me. Is it worth it to stop terrorists? no it isn't...not for me.

 

[dt3]

how do we know they're terrorists?

We (the average citizen) don't. But I'll give the combined Law Enforcement agencies of the US the benefit of the doubt.

 

[All Else Failed]

IMO, terrorists shouldn't have the privilege of OUR Constitutional Rights, since they seem to hate them so much.

They don't hate our "freedom" as the Fox news channels loves to put it. They hate the fact that we are so involved in the middle east and with Israel.


ANYONE detained or captured by us should be tried under our laws, including a fair trial. It only makes sense.