Mankind has never been truly free

[TheOnly]

People who have fought for freedom have been wasting their time. humans are not free now and never will be. A human is a slave to his/her own body. The reflexes tht we have keep us imprisoned. We cannot just stop breathing! if we try we will fall unconcious and, providing u dnt hit ur head too hard, ur body wil keep you breathing. You cannot just stop yourself from blinking either, much as many have tried. you just have to blink. its imposible, as far as i know, not to.

The only true freedom comes from suicide. taking your own life. denying your body life. the thing that your reflexes are there to preserve.

of course that is just my point of view. i realize most other people wont agree.

 

[White2000GT]

Umm... ok. So what exactly is so bad about being "imprisoned" in our bodies? I think the examples you listed are more about self-preservation than imprisonment. Have you ever heard of Sleep Apnea? It's a disorder some people have where they stop breathing at times while they are asleep. Most times they wake up when they stop breathing, and once conscious begin to breath again. How unfair do you think their lives would be if they didn't have that automatic reflex that wakes them when they stop breathing? Seems kind of unfair to me that people with that disorder woud die in their sleep because their body didn't have a reflex to wake them at the first sign of distress. And you say the only true freedom comes from suicide? Yeah, that definitely is just your opinion. In my opinion, anyone who commits suicide is a weak-willed pussy who can't overcome problems in life and think suicide is the only answer. I have no respect for anyone who kills themselves. None at all.

 

[sharpies]

You think you are free if you commit suicide.

noun: the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints

Try doing this when you are dead. Death is not freedom, in fact it is the exact opposite, the inability to act or speak... etc.

Allan

 

[White2000GT]

Good reply Allan!

 

[Veronica]

You think you are free if you commit suicide.



Try doing this when you are dead. Death is not freedom, in fact it is the exact opposite, the inability to act or speak... etc.

Allan

agreed!!!


Theonly must be an emo kid.

 

[lemon]

freedom - something many people take for granted, yet do not know what it really means...

freedom is something that is earned. not freely given. just because it has "free" in it, does not mean it is free. in the case of the usa, the military resources of the usa are constantly proving this ideal every single day. they are losing their lives just for us to sit here on our computers to play our games and discuss topics here on offtopicz. but that is the choice they made, not to die, but to protect our freedoms. that is an honorable decision, and must be honored by those they protect. as a side note, i do not believe where they are at, and who they are fighting against are honorable, but their decision to go into the armed forces is honorable. in the case of iraq, well, hmm, lets not go there. literally. i say we pull our boys and girls out of there, and let them decide how they want to continue their lives by themselves. but thats just me, so, sorry for sticking a little politics in here...

freedom is something that is learned. when you are born into this world, you do not have a concept of freedom. you must learn it. on top of that, real freedom is to do whatever you want without consequence. so, technically, the united states is not a country based on freedom. it has rules and regulations, and laws that provide consequences on things such as murder and other crimes.

now, in terms of individual freedoms, humans are no where as free as we like to be, because we have invented ourselves a way to make us fear some non-natural-existant being or beings. we are taught to fear them. that result is less freedom that you would have if you were not taught about freedom. another thing, what happens after you die? well, that is based on what you believe, no? another lessening of your freedom of choice. fear is a great motivator, but it kills freedom.

so, in essence, we are screwed

 

[sharpies]

You are correct - in real terms there is no freedom for any creature. Freedom is relative & always will be.

From the simplest social structure to the more complex, single families, small villages, towns, cities, businesses, hives, herds, packs etc. All have rules.

You could compare social structures & you would find that all of them need rules to survive. Some of these come from within & relate to how the structure will face the outside world, & some from without - rules forced on the structure for everyday survival.

Ask yourself this - do you really want to live in a world where there was complete freedom? Putting it mildly - it would be complete chaos.

Allan

 

[TheOnly]

it depends on the person. humans as a species can never be free. life would be complette chaos. thts y we have created a world full of rules and regulations that people must abide by. actually good and honest people are less free than the evil (evil is not the right word bcos evil is another human invention but i could not think of a better 1) people. a conscience keeps most people imprisoned. as some1 earlier said. freedom is the ability to do anything you want to do but most people will discover that they cannot bcos of their conscience. conscience is also a man made concept. the thought of concepts such as right and rong. we are taught this at an early age to try and be kept under control to a certain extent. people without conscience are more freee but we still regard them as being evil.

and im not an emo as vshayes called me. ppl keep calling me it but i do not like the generalisation.

 

[White2000GT]

Not trying to bash you or anything, but when you make a post of that length could you possibly cut down a bit on some of the "Generation Y" slang? Some of us older people have a hard time trying to interpret what you are saying.

 

[TheOnly]

i apologise. i did try not to do it but obviously failed. ill check before posting in future.

 

[White2000GT]

Like I said, I wasn't bashing you or anything. I just caught myself having to read some parts of your post two or three times before I could figure out what you were saying.

 

[lemon]

evolve or get left behind

 

[horseshoeing]

I am a slave to work, my kids, my wife, my car, my house, sex and I don't know what else.

 

[TheOnly]

not really a slave. you woud b misserable without them, especialy sex, but u cood liv without them. you could just say no. not that that is a good idea.

 

[horseshoeing]

not to sex. I never could say no

 

[White2000GT]

Man horseshoeing... your life would suck if you didn't have a penis. Haha!

 

[TheOnly]

although thinking about it, is a drive to do something really slavery to it since its actually something you want to do? but you dont really have choice wether you want to do it or not.

 

[TheOnly]

You think you are free if you commit suicide.



Try doing this when you are dead. Death is not freedom, in fact it is the exact opposite, the inability to act or speak... etc.

Allan

Death could be percieved as freedom depending on your outlook. You have no conscious desires to do anything and therefore are not restrained in any way. It is true you have no ability to act in anyway but you would have no desire to. Is that freedom?

 

[sharpies]

I don't think you can classify something as freedom if there are no choices. Death can only be classified as the complete lack of choice & therefore not freedom.

For me freedom is about the ability to make the choices that you want to make when you want to make them. For this to happen there has to be a framework of rules. If there were no rules then only the strong would be free to make decisions while the rest of us followed his/her orders.

As for the body's normal unconcious functions, eg Fight or Flight, breathing, perspiring, swallowing, adrenaline (as required). These are some of the things that must happen so that you can have your freedom, because if they didn't you would be way too busy trying to remember to breathe in between each bite that you are trying to swallow.

True freedom requires certain conditions.

Allan

 

[TheOnly]

a species that had a bigger intellectual ability and had the power to override (is that the right word?) these basic motor funcions to stay alive would have more complete freedom.

and as for what i said earlier about suicide being mankinds only true freedom. id just like to point out that im not for suicide myself. i feel i should point out that im still here, and some1 earlier said that to comit suicide was being weak. i disagree with that. If you are misserable and have no1 tht would mourn for your passing then why should you continue to put yourself through that missery?