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Did anyone see that documentary by Louis Theroux on kids in the USA on medication for mental disorders. I found it quite disturbing. As a man with Aspergers syndrome, I am on e of the last to turn up my nose at proffessional help for mental problems but it just seemed to me that it was given out far too easilly. A phycologist would seem better long term help and I'm not surprised some of the kids had behaviour problems when you saw the parents. One lot even had their dog on tablets for stress! Wtf???
Parents and doctors like this quite piss me off, all they do is raise prejudice against people who really do have mental problems.

Louis Theroux on America's Medicated Kids

The documentary maker always sees the other side of the story, even when its parents drugging their kids



theroux-001.jpg Louis Theroux. Photograph: Suki Dhanda

Since we're all meant to have a doppelganger, it seems rational to suppose that we have an exact opposite too, and I've met the living antithesis of Jeremy Kyle. Louis Theroux is the very opposite of judgmental or preachy and his style – listening, re-evaluating his own prejudices, trusting his subjects and winning trust back – has served him well in documentaries on everything from our more colourful home characters (Jimmy Savile, the Hamiltons) to gang-life in the slums of Lagos and a jail for paedophiles.
His latest outing, exploring the tendency for parents in America to medicate scarily young children, seems at the start to invite viewers' jaws to drop. In Theroux's hands, however, you soon realise these snap judgments are often misguided. Sometimes the drugs do work.
"At some level, yes, I'd suspected things like ADHD were slightly suspicious labels, for lazy parents, but there's more to it," he tells me, in his thoughtful monotone. "And yes, we are moving to substituting a diagnostic language for the old moral language. But I don't know that that's altogether a bad thing. One thing that brought me to the story was having my own relatively new kids and realising that they are born with personalities, and so there can be such a thing as an easy kid and a difficult kid. Even with good parents, one child can present more challenges."
None of his conclusions are glib: often they are simply more questions. "When looking for a subject, I'm just intrigued by decisions that seem strange or counter-intuitive, and worlds in which I will feel alien but not so alien that there can be no journalistic purchase. There has to be some part for me to play, rather than just gawping.
"And if I've learned anything, in the older films and the more recent, it's that I'm constantly surprised by how humane instincts flourish in the darkest places, and also shocked by people's willingness to hurt one another. But there's nowhere absolutely without hope. Prisons, max-security mental hospitals. I try not to quote Nietzsche, but there was something about whenever you name something it tends towards its opposite. As soon as you define something as morally or ethically repulsive you start to become surprised by its positive values."
 
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My cousin has her son on meds as far as i know because she can't control him and the father is in his own world. I do think the US dole's on medication too easily.
 

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Did anyone see that documentary by Louis Theroux on kids in the USA on medication for mental disorders. I found it quite disturbing. As a man with Aspergers syndrome, I am on e of the last to turn up my nose at proffessional help for mental problems but it just seemed to me that it was given out far too easilly. A phycologist would seem better long term help and I'm not surprised some of the kids had behaviour problems when you saw the parents. One lot even had their dog on tablets for stress! Wtf???
Parents and doctors like this quite piss me off, all they do is raise prejudice against people who really do have mental problems.

Louis Theroux on America's Medicated Kids

The documentary maker always sees the other side of the story, even when its parents drugging their kids



Louis Theroux. Photograph: Suki Dhanda

Since we're all meant to have a doppelganger, it seems rational to suppose that we have an exact opposite too, and I've met the living antithesis of Jeremy Kyle. Louis Theroux is the very opposite of judgmental or preachy and his style – listening, re-evaluating his own prejudices, trusting his subjects and winning trust back – has served him well in documentaries on everything from our more colourful home characters (Jimmy Savile, the Hamiltons) to gang-life in the slums of Lagos and a jail for paedophiles.
His latest outing, exploring the tendency for parents in America to medicate scarily young children, seems at the start to invite viewers' jaws to drop. In Theroux's hands, however, you soon realise these snap judgments are often misguided. Sometimes the drugs do work.
"At some level, yes, I'd suspected things like ADHD were slightly suspicious labels, for lazy parents, but there's more to it," he tells me, in his thoughtful monotone. "And yes, we are moving to substituting a diagnostic language for the old moral language. But I don't know that that's altogether a bad thing. One thing that brought me to the story was having my own relatively new kids and realising that they are born with personalities, and so there can be such a thing as an easy kid and a difficult kid. Even with good parents, one child can present more challenges."
None of his conclusions are glib: often they are simply more questions. "When looking for a subject, I'm just intrigued by decisions that seem strange or counter-intuitive, and worlds in which I will feel alien but not so alien that there can be no journalistic purchase. There has to be some part for me to play, rather than just gawping.
"And if I've learned anything, in the older films and the more recent, it's that I'm constantly surprised by how humane instincts flourish in the darkest places, and also shocked by people's willingness to hurt one another. But there's nowhere absolutely without hope. Prisons, max-security mental hospitals. I try not to quote Nietzsche, but there was something about whenever you name something it tends towards its opposite. As soon as you define something as morally or ethically repulsive you start to become surprised by its positive values."


I think its gotten a lot better Peter..

I know back 10 years ago when our daughter was having issues, doctors would hand out pills ( especially Ritalin ) like candy, and it was the same all over North America..

We had her assessed and had Ritalin handed to us. She was diagnosed as ADHD. When I finally got fed up from the "Best Doctor" in town I found a new one who actually pulled back on her medication and diagnosed her properly as ADD / ODD ( with Autism ). I was actually called "NUT" for taking her away from the other doctor to this new one but he has been a God send and when the school board saw how great he was they called me up and asked to recommend to dump the "other Jerk" and have him replace by this new guy.

With lower dosage of Ritalin and another med she became a child again with manageable problems.. This guy not only listened to us parents but also called the teachers and daycare our child went too. He actually took the time to talk to our daughter and discuss with her, in ways she could understand, so he could get the information he needed..

To this day she still sees him as he was a child and youth doctor.. I think he is about to tell her to take a walk soon.. :24:
 

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Its my pet hate Pete. Doctors here hand out Ritalin like lollies, and the parents lap up the quick fix.

What irks me, is MOST (i said most, not all) of the time, some of these conditions can be fixed with natural remedies and diet changes....

ANd...when I refer an ADHD or Asperges to my old lecturer(coz she's had LOTS more experience and success treating these conditions)...the parent will only visit once and not go back when the result is not immediate....yet they will go back time and again to a doctor to get a new prescription....I cant work it out.
 

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I believe some mental orders require medication, but not all. I also believe if you are a good parent and know hat is going on in your childs life rather than turn the other cheek then you would cath things much earlier. But doctors are quick to hand out a script for a mental disorder and most of the time its not a mental disorder that woulkd require medication. that is why I stay away from shrinks all together because they are pill prescribing wackos
 

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Pete, did the documentary address high schools at all?
I deal with ED kids (emotional difficulty) all day long. Some are clearly just wild spoiled children, and just try to give a 15-year-old a sense of responsibility when he's always gotten what he wants if he just throws a big enough fit. They're the ones that make my job especially difficult because the other teachers assume all my kids are like those. So when I try to train teachers what to look for or how to handle my kids with sever PTSD, real ADHD, bi-polar, depression, multiple personalities - many with more than one disorder - most can't be arsed. So those teachers generally end up forgetting who's supposed to be the adult in the relationship and push the kids' buttons. Then I have to clean up the resulting mess.

If we would be more careful with early diagnoses and, more importantly, change the diagnosis when it no longer fits the kid, my life would certainly be a little easier.
 

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Its my pet hate Pete. Doctors here hand out Ritalin like lollies, and the parents lap up the quick fix.

What irks me, is MOST (i said most, not all) of the time, some of these conditions can be fixed with natural remedies and diet changes....

ANd...when I refer an ADHD or Asperges to my old lecturer(coz she's had LOTS more experience and success treating these conditions)...the parent will only visit once and not go back when the result is not immediate....yet they will go back time and again to a doctor to get a new prescription....I cant work it out.
It's all about the quick fix. Most people want to see immediate results which drugs will often give. Alternate remedies, while better in the long run, often take more time and a parent at their wits end will more likely take the quick fix. It bothers me too that people will look so quickly to medication to solve their problems.
 

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It's all about the quick fix. Most people want to see immediate results which drugs will often give. Alternate remedies, while better in the long run, often take more time and a parent at their wits end will more likely take the quick fix. It bothers me too that people will look so quickly to medication to solve their problems.
Also, your body gets used to any drug you might be taking, and needs to be adjusted from time to time. Some of my kids take meds that would kill a normal human, but it barely effects them because they've slowly built a resistance.
 

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Pete, did the documentary address high schools at all?
I deal with ED kids (emotional difficulty) all day long. Some are clearly just wild spoiled children, and just try to give a 15-year-old a sense of responsibility when he's always gotten what he wants if he just throws a big enough fit. They're the ones that make my job especially difficult because the other teachers assume all my kids are like those. So when I try to train teachers what to look for or how to handle my kids with sever PTSD, real ADHD, bi-polar, depression, multiple personalities - many with more than one disorder - most can't be arsed. So those teachers generally end up forgetting who's supposed to be the adult in the relationship and push the kids' buttons. Then I have to clean up the resulting mess.

If we would be more careful with early diagnoses and, more importantly, change the diagnosis when it no longer fits the kid, my life would certainly be a little easier.

There was a 15 year old girl on it. As an experiment she stayed off her drugs to show the difference to Louis what she was like without them. To be honest, she seemed the same except for a craving for her tablets which she got in the end, reminded me more of a drug addict that someone with a real disorder.
 

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It's all about the quick fix. Most people want to see immediate results which drugs will often give. Alternate remedies, while better in the long run, often take more time and a parent at their wits end will more likely take the quick fix. It bothers me too that people will look so quickly to medication to solve their problems.

:homo:

Myself, I would look to less damaging methods, even if they were more expensive... Hell, I hate giving the kids medication even when they are sick... it's a last resort to make them comfortable if pushing fluids and rest isn't enough.

Just had to put Amara on meds for her ear infection, was quite severe.:(
 

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Did anyone see that documentary by Louis Theroux on kids in the USA on medication for mental disorders. I found it quite disturbing. As a man with Aspergers syndrome, I am on e of the last to turn up my nose at proffessional help for mental problems but it just seemed to me that it was given out far too easilly. A phycologist would seem better long term help and I'm not surprised some of the kids had behaviour problems when you saw the parents. One lot even had their dog on tablets for stress! Wtf???
Parents and doctors like this quite piss me off, all they do is raise prejudice against people who really do have mental problems.

Louis Theroux on America's Medicated Kids

The documentary maker always sees the other side of the story, even when its parents drugging their kids



theroux-001.jpg Louis Theroux. Photograph: Suki Dhanda

Since we're all meant to have a doppelganger, it seems rational to suppose that we have an exact opposite too, and I've met the living antithesis of Jeremy Kyle. Louis Theroux is the very opposite of judgmental or preachy and his style – listening, re-evaluating his own prejudices, trusting his subjects and winning trust back – has served him well in documentaries on everything from our more colourful home characters (Jimmy Savile, the Hamiltons) to gang-life in the slums of Lagos and a jail for paedophiles.
His latest outing, exploring the tendency for parents in America to medicate scarily young children, seems at the start to invite viewers' jaws to drop. In Theroux's hands, however, you soon realise these snap judgments are often misguided. Sometimes the drugs do work.
"At some level, yes, I'd suspected things like ADHD were slightly suspicious labels, for lazy parents, but there's more to it," he tells me, in his thoughtful monotone. "And yes, we are moving to substituting a diagnostic language for the old moral language. But I don't know that that's altogether a bad thing. One thing that brought me to the story was having my own relatively new kids and realising that they are born with personalities, and so there can be such a thing as an easy kid and a difficult kid. Even with good parents, one child can present more challenges."
None of his conclusions are glib: often they are simply more questions. "When looking for a subject, I'm just intrigued by decisions that seem strange or counter-intuitive, and worlds in which I will feel alien but not so alien that there can be no journalistic purchase. There has to be some part for me to play, rather than just gawping.
"And if I've learned anything, in the older films and the more recent, it's that I'm constantly surprised by how humane instincts flourish in the darkest places, and also shocked by people's willingness to hurt one another. But there's nowhere absolutely without hope. Prisons, max-security mental hospitals. I try not to quote Nietzsche, but there was something about whenever you name something it tends towards its opposite. As soon as you define something as morally or ethically repulsive you start to become surprised by its positive values."


I did see it Peter! I was utterly shocked about the kid with "OCD". I studied OCD in depth for Psychology and we had to learn the DSM classification (which is the one used in America and all over the world but it contains some disorders which aren't recognised in the UK) and the child really does not fit the criteria based on what was shown on the programme. And children are rarely diagnosed with OCD as children can be peculiar about things without being Obsessive or Compulsive in terms of mental illness.

When he was sitting under the table after losing, it really did not seem like OCD but rather the child was a bad loser. It reminded me of my 2 year old running and hiding when I tell her off.
 

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Everything is over-diagnosed these days. I struggle to buy into ADD/ADHD. No wonder kids fidget in school and get bored and can't pay attention. Modern television caters to a short attention span. About 7 minutes, if I recall correctly. Add to that that most children get very little outside "play time" and you've got yourself a recipe for a wound up kid who won't focus on something he can change with a remote control.

And the thing with the people putting the dog on pills... c'mon folks. That is absolutely absurd.
 

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I absolutely do not agree with doping up kids. I know some cases it might actually be the only thing, but I just can't imagine jumping so quickly into drugs for them.
I hope to never have to do it. So far I am able to do just fine even when the boys are beyond manageable.

I guess I just had a good dose of having to deal with the ADD thing already. I know it takes time and plenty of repeating and patience...those three things can go a long way instead of drugs.

Now like I said I know it's needed in some cases so I understand if some have to be on it, but there are a lot of things overly diagnosed here. It's sad.
 

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Cost plays a big factor too. Natural medications here can be quite expensive. I'm lucky I have my own dispensary and dont have to buy them. (well, I DO have to buy the initial tinctures, but they last forever)
 

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Everything is over-diagnosed these days. I struggle to buy into ADD/ADHD. No wonder kids fidget in school and get bored and can't pay attention. Modern television caters to a short attention span. About 7 minutes, if I recall correctly. Add to that that most children get very little outside "play time" and you've got yourself a recipe for a wound up kid who won't focus on something he can change with a remote control.

And the thing with the people putting the dog on pills... c'mon folks. That is absolutely absurd.

I agree. I expect children to fidget. I fidget around in lessons and I'm 20. It's not natural to me to sit completely still for a very long time and if I saw a child sitting completely still I would be worried and weirded out.

I wonder about the parenting techniques of some of the children shown. Like the child with OCD, when he was running around and hitting his head after losing, the mother really didn't seem to do much other than weakly saying something like "don't do that" (I can't remember the exact words but it was along those lines). I just wonder if he would still have "OCD" if the mother reacted differently.
 

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Child must not take drug. Drugs separate mind from body and separate man from God. I see one time Abdul Jr. try and take drug for head pain, i beat him with fist and get new Abdul Jr. If Abdul II try drug, i tell him story of Abdul I.

You killed your son for taking a tylenol
 
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