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Mercury

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It seems that headlines of Police Officers showing up at schools to assist in detaining children that get out of control has been popping up more and more.

Here is one of the latest .... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57415181/ga-police-handcuff-arrest-kindergartner-for-tantrum/

Some usual repeating issues with these:
1.) The school staff feel that there is a threat
2.) School staff feels unable to control the child
3.) Parents of the child feel that the police actions were unnecessary
4.) Public Relation issues with the entire thing

Of course every situation is unique with circumstances being different but generally are similar. With that said, what is your opinion? Should school staff contact police first before the parents? Parents first and if no answer, then police? Police at all? Do you think school staff feel like their hands are tied with children?

Personally, I speculate that school officials probably feel pretty nervous about what they can physically do when a young child begins to act out violently. This would suggest that they probably would want police there to take physical action to detain and stop the child's actions. I would want to contact the parents first ... if they are unavailable then the next step would be police ... after all who else can you contact in this type of situation?

Potential problems with this is the training of the police officer that shows up. While I had attempted to become a Police Officer ... I don't remember anything in the classes and research that I did mentioning anything about young children.

Now ... in the news article that is above, it sounds as if though the child was "out-of-control" ... I didn't see anything about school staff contacting the parents before they contacted police (maybe they felt they didn't have the time to take that action because of the violent nature of the situation?) What struck me was the quote by the Child's father,

"A six-year-old in kindergarten! They don't have no business calling the police and handcuffing my child."


This, to me, shows a real issue with this guy's thought process as it appears that he places his child above the rules of society. Yes, we parents are protective of our children ... but we are also supposed to be teaching our children to prepare for society and this includes NOT THROWING VIOLENT TEMPER TANTRUMS and LISTENING TO TEACHERS WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO STOP.

Of course, what did the teacher say or do to try to have the child stop? Unfortunately, we simply don't really know.

Now, six-year-old's are, of course, very emotional and just starting to really get the basics down on social interaction. There is a difference between a "typical" temper-tantrum and a "violent tantrum." If other children, school staff and property is at danger from damage or injury ... then I would say that is grounds for the next steps in stopping that "violent tantrum."
 
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Sheesh frankly I don't know...I don't know much about children aside from the assumption some of them really do get out of control, especially ones with emotional impairment or something similar. I also assume kids are a lot more street wise and therefore physically dangerous than they used to be, but I could be very wrong.

Seems safety should come first above all, and if that means cops, it means cops?
 

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The article states the school did try to contact the child's parents before contacting the police. They were unable to reach the parents, so the police were brought in.

Personally I think this just clearly shows how little personal responsiblity people have in regards to their child's behavior. If your child has a problem that makes them a danger to the themselves or others they should not be in a normal school setting. The school staff would have likely gotten a lawsuit from the parents had they tried to physically confine the child, so what else could they have done except call the police? They have to protect themselves and the other children as well.
 

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The article states the school did try to contact the child's parents before contacting the police. They were unable to reach the parents, so the police were brought in.

Personally I think this just clearly shows how little personal responsiblity people have in regards to their child's behavior. If your child has a problem that makes them a danger to the themselves or others they should not be in a normal school setting. The school staff would have likely gotten a lawsuit from the parents had they tried to physically confine the child, so what else could they have done except call the police? They have to protect themselves and the other children as well.

Ya I completely agree; school systems seem (at least from the many teachers I know in my MA program and from my job) a struggle between parents and teachers more than anything.

The "helicopter parent" generation is disgusting, I'm sorry lol.
 

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School officials would of had permission to put their foot up the kids butt if it were my child.

The other month my son didn't expect me to stop in at the school to talk to his teacher to find out about "a story he told" me. He then changed his story after I gave him the information the teacher told me, imagine that. I think he learned his lesson LOL
 

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Personally I think this just clearly shows how little personal responsiblity people have in regards to their child's behavior.

I agree.

The school staff would have likely gotten a lawsuit from the parents had they tried to physically confine the child, so what else could they have done except call the police?

Agreed. I could see it now ... staff try to detain and calm the child ... child acts out violently and ends up falling and breaking an arm. School is now sued ...
 

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I personally don't think a six year old needs to be handcuffed at school. But the again, this situation seems to be one which was building for a long time, maybe it was their last resort.
 

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Let me bring a new perspective to this since it IS local (well, an hour or so away). The school tried, unsuccessfully, to contact this child's mother SIX times. Funny...she answered the media's calls for interviews in a much more timely manner. *rolls eyes*

The only reason this is always such an issue when it happens is b/c the officers involved have the forethought to do it BEFORE another child is injured. Let them NOT handcuff a child "pitching a tantrum" and let them hurt another kid...then listen to the parents yell about how the police officer should've done his or her job. Can't win for losing, I tell ya, LOL
 

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Let them NOT handcuff a child "pitching a tantrum" and let them hurt another kid...then listen to the parents yell about how the police officer should've done his or her job. Can't win for losing, I tell ya, LOL

Very true! This is a phenomenon that must take some SERIOUS patience for Police to deal with. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 

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Personally, I speculate that school officials probably feel pretty nervous about what they can physically do when a young child begins to act out violently.


I think this is a huge part of the problem with schools and discipline now. It seems to be at the point where kids no longer respect their teachers, and have no reason to do so because they know they can make a fuss if a teacher so much as puts a hand on their shoulder, let alone actually tries to restrain them.


It's a tricky subject because on the one hand I wouldn't want teachers manhandling kids left right and centre, but on the other hand children who have no respect for authority are basically being shown that their teachers have no power over them and could get into a fuckload of trouble for attempting to regain control in a classroom. No wonder teachers are too afraid to get near the kids they're teaching - it's not worth losing your job over.
 

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I think this is a huge part of the problem with schools and discipline now. It seems to be at the point where kids no longer respect their teachers, and have no reason to do so because they know they can make a fuss if a teacher so much as puts a hand on their shoulder, let alone actually tries to restrain them.


It's a tricky subject because on the one hand I wouldn't want teachers manhandling kids left right and centre, but on the other hand children who have no respect for authority are basically being shown that their teachers have no power over them and could get into a fuckload of trouble for attempting to regain control in a classroom. No wonder teachers are too afraid to get near the kids they're teaching - it's not worth losing your job over.

Well said!
 

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I would have to see the child being very very unruley to approve of the action
IMO thy need to find out what is going on to create the child to act as such....may have issues deep down.
Its a shame a child should have to carry such emotions
 

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This kid was throwing furniture, hitting other kids, and even knocked over a shelf and injured the principal.
 

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I would have to see the child being very very unruley to approve of the action
IMO thy need to find out what is going on to create the child to act as such....may have issues deep down.
Its a shame a child should have to carry such emotions

If I were a betting man, my money would be on the fact that this wasn't the first time this child has had a run in with a teacher.

Mr. Brill in shop class had one heck of an oak paddle that was long that had holes drilled in it for a better "effect" LOL No one with half a brain messed around in Mr. Brill's class.

Perhaps sounding old school, but kids today seem to realize that they can get away with a lot of crap.
 

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This kid was throwing furniture, hitting other kids, and even knocked over a shelf and injured the principal.

I approve of the cops then if the school staff was unable to calm her....The kid needs some kind of counseling or something..hopefully something positive can come from this
 
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