Israel v Hamas Biased?

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Throughout the two-week bombardment of the Gaza Strip most journalists have been kept out by the Israeli government on the pretext of security. And the Israelis are pleased with the results.
Foreign journalists have been forced to report without getting to the detail of what is going on. That meant, at least in the early days of the bombardment, that reporters who would have been in Gaza were instead reporting from Israeli towns and cities under fire from Hamas, and Israeli officials found it easier to get themselves in front of a television camera.
An Israeli official told me they were delighted at a BBC TV correspondent broadcasting from Ashkelon in a flak jacket, reinforcing the impression that the Israeli city is a war zone when there is more chance of being hit by a car than a rocket. The notable exception is al-Jazeera TV, which has a bureau in Gaza City and has been broadcasting live from there.
Danny Seaman, head of the Israeli government's press office, who has described foreign journalists as a "figleaf" for Hamas, says the exclusion of reporters from Gaza has worked in Israel's favour as it has forced a greater focus on Israel's side of the story.
"When you have hundreds of journalists coming in, most haven't the faintest idea about the war or the situation," he said. "Take the UN school [where 42 people were killed by an Israeli shell] for example. There's a lot of questions as to what actually happened. If the foreign media had been there it would have had much more of an impact on the conflict than it has at the moment. For the first time, when Israel raised questions, journalists had to address these issues and not get caught in feeding frenzy of reporting the story."
Israel has long accommodated an often critical foreign press corps, generally without interference, although hostility grew after the outbreak of the second intifada because journalists were perceived as pro-Palestinian. The Israeli government boycotted the BBC at times and a cabinet minister wrote to the corporation to accuse its highly regarded former Jerusalem correspondent, Orla Guerin, of antisemitism.
The BBC has two Palestinian producers in Gaza who have supplied material. But its Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, is among those unable to enter Gaza. "We've had coverage but of course it is not the coverage that we would have liked to have had because we would have preferred to have gone in ourselves," he said.
Israel says there is no formal ban on reporters entering Gaza and that they are prevented only by the security situation. But the government has failed to implement a high court order to let in reporters when the principal crossing is open.
Israel is not alone in this. British forces restricted access by journalists to parts of Afghanistan because of government fears about public reaction to pictures of dead Afghans. The US has manipulated coverage from Iraq, via the policy of embedding journalists with troops and discouraging "unilateral" reporters.


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Wonder why Israel is seen as so squeaky clean in this?
 
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Alien Allen

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Wonder why Israel is seen as so squeaky clean in this?
Because Hamas is a terrorist organization using children as shields.

It is a war and sometimes when one has the power they use it in excess. Both sides are to blame but Hamas does not want peace. They want the state of Israel wiped out. As long as that is their stance one can not expect peace. Other countries have made peace and Israel held their end of the bargain.
 

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Is there truly such a thing as unbiased news? As we can see it all depends on access and the filtering through where the news comes from. Until we are on the ground and live the history from all sides of the issue, it's anyones guess, or should I say, opinion. And even then we will form our own interpretations of what is going on around us.
 

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As long as Israel attacks civilian populations indiscriminately they will be losers. Better to send in special ops and avoid the tons of collateral damage and new enemies they have been generating.
 

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As long as Israel attacks civilian populations indiscriminately they will be losers. Better to send in special ops and avoid the tons of collateral damage and new enemies they have been generating.
Not a bad idea, and I'm curious why they didn't make such an approach. Perhaps they didn't have the capabilities? Or perhaps they wanted to make a strong statement that they were not going to put up with any sort of terrorism, regardless of what sort of tactics the terrorists used?

I do agree with AA that it is not Israel's fault that Hamas is hiding behind civilians as a shield. Hamas is more at fault for the civilian casualties that Israel is... Hamas WANTS the civilian casualties, so they can be seen by the world as the victims in the situation, even though they are the terrorists.
 

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Not a bad idea, and I'm curious why they didn't make such an approach. Perhaps they didn't have the capabilities? Or perhaps they wanted to make a strong statement that they were not going to put up with any sort of terrorism, regardless of what sort of tactics the terrorists used?

I do agree with AA that it is not Israel's fault that Hamas is hiding behind civilians as a shield. Hamas is more at fault for the civilian casualties that Israel is... Hamas WANTS the civilian casualties, so they can be seen by the world as the victims in the situation, even though they are the terrorists.
I think it would be like going into the tribal regions in Afghanistan. An outsider would not have a chance of getting close. It would involve house to house combat and impossible without having even more bloodshed I think. I don't think they could just sneak in.
 

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Because Hamas is a terrorist organization using children as shields.

Guess again. Thats so generic and black and white.

Children aren't even affliated with Hamas, I don't think their suffereing is any less important than the sufftering of an Isreali child. I bet more media coverage would be given to a fallen Isreali child than one from Gaza.

There is a very intensive PR campaign by the Isrealis in the US, by lobby groups such as AIPAC. They are the causes of the media bias in favor of Isreal. At least in your country anyway. Its more plausable than that 'zionist media' bullshit that some idoits pull out all the time :p

Did you see the Washington Post article several weeks ago, there were two individuals, one from Gaza, one from Isreal, explaining their experiences of the conflict. The Isreali in the story looked shaken from the rocket attacks. The Gaza resident however, had lost all four of her children in the conflict. Their stories both got equal coverage.

Not exactly objective Journalism.

In one of their articles during the conflict, Fox News claimed 'That only 4 Palestinians had died today'. I could just imagine if a news outlet said that 'only 4 Isrealis died today'. Not many people would be happy about that.



It is a war and sometimes when one has the power they use it in excess.
War is still subject to rules and regulations, ever heard of the Geneva convention? Some of Isreals actions would qualify as war crimes. Like using white phosphours in civilan neighbourhoods. Not saying that Hamas wouldn't be either, targeting civilans is horrific, no matter if they are crude rockets or smart bombs. But simply having more 'power' than the other side does not justify civilian deaths.
 

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Guess again. Thats so generic and black and white.

Children aren't even affliated with Hamas, I don't think their suffereing is any less important than the sufftering of an Isreali child. I bet more media coverage would be given to a fallen Isreali child than one from Gaza.
I did not say the children were affiliated with Hamas. But Hamas is shooting rockets in areas that have children on purpose and using those children as shields in the hopes that Israel would either not attack or if they did Hamas would use that for PR

There is a very intensive PR campaign by the Isrealis in the US, by lobby groups such as AIPAC. They are the causes of the media bias in favor of Isreal. At least in your country anyway. Its more plausable than that 'zionist media' bullshit that some idoits pull out all the time :p
There is plenty of PR being done by Hamas to get sympathy too.

Did you see the Washington Post article several weeks ago, there were two individuals, one from Gaza, one from Isreal, explaining their experiences of the conflict. The Isreali in the story looked shaken from the rocket attacks. The Gaza resident however, had lost all four of her children in the conflict. Their stories both got equal coverage.

Not exactly objective Journalism.
Did not read the story so not able to comment.

In one of their articles during the conflict, Fox News claimed 'That only 4 Palestinians had died today'. I could just imagine if a news outlet said that 'only 4 Isrealis died today'. Not many people would be happy about that.
Well that beats 100 killed I guess was their point.



War is still subject to rules and regulations, ever heard of the Geneva convention? Some of Isreals actions would qualify as war crimes. Like using white phosphours in civilan neighbourhoods. Not saying that Hamas wouldn't be either, targeting civilans is horrific, no matter if they are crude rockets or smart bombs. But simply having more 'power' than the other side does not justify civilian deaths.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They will either be destroyed or they will wake up and accept the fact Israel is there and not going away.
 

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I did not say the children were affiliated with Hamas. But Hamas is shooting rockets in areas that have children on purpose and using those children as shields in the hopes that Israel would either not attack or if they did Hamas would use that for PR

Amensty International claimed that Isreal used human shields in the conflict too. And don't you see any parellels between Hamas shooting rockets into civilian areas in Isreal and the IDF firing white phosphours in civilian areas in Gaza?

There is plenty of PR being done by Hamas to get sympathy too.

Of course, but the Isreali PR machine is much more powerful. You don't see Hamas officals posting videos on youtube attempting to justify civilian deaths in Isreal, do you?

Did not read the story so not able to comment.

I'll try and provide the link.

Well that beats 100 killed I guess was their point.

The word 'only' should never be used in a news story to describe civilain deaths. News organisations would never say 'only x amount of Isrealis killed', so what makes it right when documenting civilian deaths in Gaza?

Hamas is a terrorist organization. They will either be destroyed or they will wake up and accept the fact Israel is there and not going away.

Thats always the generic response from you isn't it? Maybe you should look more in-depth to the whole middle-eastern conflict over the past 60 years and you might know why organisations like Hamas exist today.

No-one can deny the fact that Isreal commited war crimes in Gaza.
 

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Amensty International claimed that Isreal used human shields in the conflict too. And don't you see any parellels between Hamas shooting rockets into civilian areas in Isreal and the IDF firing white phosphours in civilian areas in Gaza?



Of course, but the Isreali PR machine is much more powerful. You don't see Hamas officals posting videos on youtube attempting to justify civilian deaths in Isreal, do you?



I'll try and provide the link.



The word 'only' should never be used in a news story to describe civilain deaths. News organisations would never say 'only x amount of Isrealis killed', so what makes it right when documenting civilian deaths in Gaza?



Thats always the generic response from you isn't it? Maybe you should look more in-depth to the whole middle-eastern conflict over the past 60 years and you might know why organisations like Hamas exist today.

No-one can deny the fact that Isreal commited war crimes in Gaza.
All of this is objective and opinionated. You haven't proven anything either way, so stop trying to act like you have.

I still can't figure out why liberals always like to side with the terrorists. It just boggles my mind...

I've got a question for you Meirionnydd. If you were the head of the nation of Israel, what would have you done instead? Hamas has been firing rockets into your cities for the past months (?), killing a handful of people here and there. You know exactly where they are launching the missiles from - behind school playgrounds, just outside of a public library, from the streets of residential neighborhoods of their own people. You don't want to strike back and cause civilian casualties, but you cannot allow the attacks to continue without doing anything about it. So what would YOU do?
 

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All of this is objective and opinionated. You haven't proven anything either way, so stop trying to act like you have.

Err. I am not acting like I have proved anything.

I still can't figure out why liberals always like to side with the terrorists. It just boggles my mind...
Congrats. You've just turned this into a parsitan issue, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to do that.

I suggest you look back and read my posts that I have made earlier about the conflict. I have never once stated support for Hamas. Quite the opposite actually.

And I've never identified my political ideology with my oponion of any middle east conflict.

I've got a question for you Meirionnydd. If you were the head of the nation of Israel, what would have you done instead? Hamas has been firing rockets into your cities for the past months (?), killing ahandful of people here and there.
Wrong. If you want a debate, you might want to get even the most basic facts about the conflict right first.

Here and there?.... If by here and there you mean, the past 10 years. And by a handful, you mean 20 people.... Kinda pales in comparasion to the 1,330 Palestinians in the past month.

You know exactly where they are launching the missiles from - behind school playgrounds, just outside of a public library, from the streets of residential neighborhoods of their own people. You don't want to strike back and cause civilian casualties, but you cannot allow the attacks to continue without doing anything about it. So what would YOU do?
The IDF obviously didn't know.

And you don't know where they are launching from either. You're just using the standard 'I don't know where Hamas are launching the rockets from but I am just going to mention a bunch of random civilian places in order to evoke an emotional response' reply.
 

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They're both vicous.

Everyone in the world seems to view history or current things from the Jewish side, or from the Muslim side.
 

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And you don't know where they are launching from either. You're just using the standard 'I don't know where Hamas are launching the rockets from but I am just going to mention a bunch of random civilian places in order to evoke an emotional response' reply.
It has been proven they are storing rockets and shooting them off . Hell an Al Jazerra was caught on film giving them up
 

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Err. I am not acting like I have proved anything.
Yes you are. For instance, "No-one can deny the fact that Isreal commited war crimes in Gaza." I can deny it, but you stated it as fact.
Congrats. You've just turned this into a parsitan issue, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to do that.
And...? It's true, isn't it?
I suggest you look back and read my posts that I have made earlier about the conflict. I have never once stated support for Hamas. Quite the opposite actually.

And I've never identified my political ideology with my oponion of any middle east conflict.
You imply support for Hamas by saying that Israel is committing war crimes, saying they are tainting the news, etc.
Wrong. If you want a debate, you might want to get even the most basic facts about the conflict right first.

Here and there?.... If by here and there you mean, the past 10 years. And by a handful, you mean 20 people.... Kinda pales in comparasion to the 1,330 Palestinians in the past month.
You're right - I didn't know the facts. So what? I was giving generalizations that at least got my point across.
The IDF obviously didn't know.

And you don't know where they are launching from either. You're just using the standard 'I don't know where Hamas are launching the rockets from but I am just going to mention a bunch of random civilian places in order to evoke an emotional response' reply.
The IDF did know. Why do you think they did not?
 

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Yes you are. For instance, "No-one can deny the fact that Isreal commited war crimes in Gaza." I can deny it, but you stated it as fact.

Isreal has commited war crimes. So have Hamas.

If you disagree, fine. Justify why they haven't.

And...? It's true, isn't it?
No.

You imply support for Hamas by saying that Israel is committing war crimes, saying they are tainting the news, etc.
I don't support either side. Both have commited very horribile and deplorable acts in the conflict. Like I said before, if you look back at my posts in other threads about this conflict. You'll see that I have not shown any support for Hamas.

Being a critic of the IDF's killing of civilians in the war does not equate to support for Hamas.

I see it like this. I will not devote my support to either side, I don't think anyone else should either. If I support Isreal, I would find myself trying to justify civilian deaths and heavy-handed tactics. Conversely, if I support Hamas, I would find myself attempting to justify indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians - a terrorist act. Which is something I simply cannot do.

You're right - I didn't know the facts. So what? I was giving generalizations that at least got my point across.
Indeed, I agree. Isreal does have the right to security. But I do not think that the events that have transpired over the past month will benefit Isreal in the long-term.

The IDF did know. Why do you think they did not?
Shelling a UN school, killing 42 civilians, most of them children, no Hamas militants inside. The IDF bombs the main UN compound. No Hamas militants inside either.

The reuters building was even hit. I don't think the IDF knew the locations of Hamas military targets as well as they thought they did.
 

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My bro, simply you'll find the answer here:

ZionismExplained.org/Zionism: History and Effects



Do you still asleep? haven't you woke up yet ? good night !!!:)

Back for another round I see.

Still in denial about Hamas tactics too. Or is it you just support anything they do.

Like this alleged reporter

Video: Al Arabiya Studio Used As Rocket Launching Site


Al Arabiya reporter Hannan al-Masri is live on the air in Gaza when she is told that Hamas has just fired rockets from inside the Al Arabiya studio building, news which apparently strikes her as quite humorous.

(Turn on closed captions for English subtitles.)




YouTube - Hamas fires from foreign Press building in Gaza January 2009 - Unintentional News from Alarabiya-TV
 
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