Is President Obama any different than President GW Bush?

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I was researching a claim that Ted Cruz was making against President Obama: "This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not." It was on his FB page. I don't know how to link to it.

Anyway, he linked to this transcript of then-candidate Obama's 2007 campaign speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center.
http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-woodrow-wilson-center/p13974
I'll post the transcript next, for those who can't follow the link for whatever reason.

Sometimes it's enlightening to go back to past speeches to see a politician's real goals, real honesty. We can look at the things he's tried and the things he's accomplished, and the things he put on the back burner or ignored altogether, and juxtapose them against the accusations he made against his opponent and claims of how he would be different.
 
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Obama did nothing more than what most politicians do when running for office, tell people what they want to hear. The difference is Obama offered people hope due to "where he came from" LOL
 

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Thank you Lee, for hosting me here at the Wilson Center, and for your leadership of both the 9/11 Commission and the Iraq Study Group. You have been a steady voice of reason in an unsteady time.


Let me also say that my thoughts and prayers are with your colleague, Haleh Esfandiari, and her family. I have made my position known to the Iranian government. It is time for Haleh to be released. It is time for Haleh to come home.


Thanks to the 9/11 Commission, we know that six years ago this week President Bush received a briefing with the headline: “Bin Ladin determined to strike in U.S.”


It came during what the Commission called the “summer of threat,” when the “system was blinking red” about an impending attack. But despite the briefing, many felt the danger was overseas, a threat to embassies and military installations. The extremism, the resentment, the terrorist training camps, and the killers were in the dark corners of the world, far away from the American homeland.


Then, one bright and beautiful Tuesday morning, they were here.


I was driving to a state legislative hearing in downtown Chicago when I heard the news on my car radio: a plane had hit the WorldTrade Center. By the time I got to my meeting, the second plane had hit, and we were told to evacuate

People gathered in the streets and looked up at the sky and the Sears Tower, transformed from a workplace to a target. We feared for our families and our country. We mourned the terrible loss suffered by our fellow citizens. Back at my law office, I watched the images from New York: a plane vanishing into glass and steel; men and women clinging to windowsills, then letting go; tall towers crumbling to dust. It seemed all of the misery and all of the evil in the world were in that rolling black cloud, blocking out the September sun.


What we saw that morning forced us to recognize that in a new world of threats, we are no longer protected by our own power. And what we saw that morning was a challenge to a new generation. The history of Americais one of tragedy turned into triumph. And so a war over secession became an opportunity to set the captives free. An attack on Pearl Harbor led to a wave of freedom rolling across the Atlanticand Pacific. An Iron Curtain was punctured by democratic values, new institutions at home, and strong international partnerships abroad.


After 9/11, our calling was to write a new chapter in the American story. To devise new strategies and build new alliances, to secure our homeland and safeguard our values, and to serve a just cause abroad. We were ready. Americans were united. Friends around the world stood shoulder to shoulder with us. We had the might and moral-suasion that was the legacy of generations of Americans. The tide of history seemed poised to turn, once again, toward hope.


But then everything changed.


We did not finish the job against al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We did not develop new capabilities to defeat a new enemy, or launch a comprehensive strategy to dry up the terrorists’ base of support. We did not reaffirm our basic values, or secure our homeland.


Instead, we got a color-coded politics of fear. Patriotism as the possession of one political party. The diplomacy of refusing to talk to other countries. A rigid 20th century ideology that insisted that the 21st century’s stateless terrorism could be defeated through the invasion and occupation of a state. A deliberate strategy to misrepresent 9/11 to sell a war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

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Sorry, I have to break my promise. The speech is 14 pages long. If you can't link to the transcript, let me know and I'll send you the pdf file.
 

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Obama did nothing more than what most politicians do when running for office, tell people what they want to hear. The difference is Obama offered people hope due to "where he came from" LOL
He made some pretty specific accusations and very specific promises. GW, if I remember right, got by with the standard platitudes and wispy suggestions of ideas.
 

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What American's should step back and realize, is that a fleecing of liberty is a-political. It's a mindset intrenched in government's knowledge that they are not trusted by the general public.

Hands down, the Patriot Act was one of the most sweeping attack on the Constitution I have studied. It was a good idea, that went totally un-checked. No oversight. In that respect the Bush White House followed the Obama doctrine of never wasting a tragedy.



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What American's should step back and realize, is that a fleecing of liberty is a-political. It's a mindset intrenched in government's knowledge that they are not trusted by the general public.

Hands down, the Patriot Act was one of the most sweeping attack on the Constitution I have studied. It was a good idea, that went totally un-checked. No oversight. In that respect the Bush White House followed the Obama doctrine of never wasting a tragedy.
Well stated ... except the good idea part.
 

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It's a mindset intrenched in government's knowledge that they are not trusted by the general public.

I don't think politicians care if they're trusted by the public or not. I believe it's more about "what can I get my voters so they will re elect me and to heck with everyone else". We have a hard core republican "no spend" lady in my rural district who got caught with her pants down trying to secure millions of dollars of federal money for some really STUPID pet projects that made no sense. She can spend others money if it helps her. To the point that if everyone else can have a piece of the pie, why can't I?

I just LOVE how the Republicans are for the "man" and the democrats are for the working class. Our political system seems to be no different that watching wrestling on Saturdays. You have no clue what to believe.
 

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Obama is worse than Bush. Obama knew what an economic mess we are in yet he continues to overspend and over borrow. The country is on the brink and Barry just keeps driving us over the edge. Fiscal responsibility doesn't even seem to enter this mans mind.
 

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The liberal mindset though fits right in with spending. They do not think there is a spending problem but an income problem. It shows how pathetic this country is that an apposing party can not win against such nonsense.
 

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All I can say that for anyone thinking they can make a change by voting anyone at all is being fooled. As soon as they get in they have their agenda to perform, otherwise bye-bye nice guy. It's all one big joke on the people, at least in my opinion.
 

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Politicians are all the same. They are power-hungry people who only care about themselves and special interests. This is why i do not vote. I do not see how republicans or democrats are looking out for the best interest of the country. The government shut down just recently because of their bickering and fighting. That hurts us! If they government is shut down, people's paychecks can be affected. I do not trust the government and i never will. The political process is not one that i want to be part of.
 

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From outside America, Obama seems to be alot more calm and peaceful, that's for sure. I'm not sure wether it is how it looks, but I don't think he has his mind set in war like GW Buch had. That's only my opinion though, I can't talk much about it since I'm not so into that matter.
 

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I agree that Obama is no different than any other politician. They tell the people want they think they want to hear in order to get the votes. During his first election, all Obama talked about was "change". The first time I heard him, I realized that he was an excellent motivational speaker, but never went into any detail of what the changes would be. He played so much on people's emotions, their fear, and their disillusionment. What bothered me so much at the time was how many of us Americans fell for it! We truly are "sheeple".
 
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