Is hell a good place?

[Greatest I am]

Is hell a good place?

We cannot know how the first iniquity demonstrated itself but we can know that rebellion begins with questioning the status quo.

The moment God was questioned in any way, he responded with an evil punishment.
Evil as I class it in any case. He does not tolerate anyone doing their will, if it does not comply with his will. Obey or else. Not quite what scriptures say he should be doing.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
It would seem that God let himself be overcome by evil and responded with evil. Or evil must be good. God created the first division in his once united kingdom.

It appears that God does not follow his own good advise. Or does he? If God was following his WORD, then hell must be a good place somehow.
Strange but true.

Are their any theists who would like to show how this is not back sliding?
That is of course, a rhetorical question as back sliding cannot be denied.

Was God overcome by evil?
Did God follow his literal WORD or not?
Should we?

Is hell a good place or is God’s WORD worthless since he himself ignores it and breaks his own laws?

Regards
DL

 

[Peter Parka]

Before answering that question, you would need to confirm that hell actually exists. Seeing there is absolutely no evidence for it, I highly doubt its existence.

 

[skyblue]

the church invented hell

 

[Greatest I am]

Perhaps a theist will speak to both of your issues.
I too do not believe in a hell and I do think that the church invented hell.
People will pay more to make sure they do not go to hell than they will for just a passage to heaven.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

If it exists as traditionally described, it would be decidedly bad. However, it's likely some man thought the concept up a couple thousand years ago.

 

[Codrus]

hell is lovely in the winter,.....can never keep enough marshmallows

 

[Greatest I am]

If it exists as traditionally described, it would be decidedly bad. However, it's likely some man thought the concept up a couple thousand years ago.

I would put it more around 3500 years ago.

Imagination and religious flim-flam men has been around for quite some time now.

Regards
DL

 

[HK]

Doesn't the concept of hell predate Christianity by some time? Almost all religions tend to have the belief in 'do what's good and you'll be rewarded in the next life, do what's bad and you'll be punished'. Since religion is primarily an external conscience for those who don't trust their own judgement, it follows that ever since man has been able to grasp the idea of being judged for his actions, he's also imagined the consequence to leading a sinful life.

How that sin was defined and what the punishment was though, varied from one religion to another. In the case of Christianity, it often seems that God is held above concepts like good and evil. He simply 'is'.

 

[Panacea]

Doesn't the concept of hell predate Christianity by some time? Almost all religions tend to have the belief in 'do what's good and you'll be rewarded in the next life, do what's bad and you'll be punished'. Since religion is primarily an external conscience for those who don't trust their own judgement, it follows that ever since man has been able to grasp the idea of being judged for his actions, he's also imagined the consequence to leading a sinful life.

How that sin was defined and what the punishment was though, varied from one religion to another. In the case of Christianity, it often seems that God is held above concepts like good and evil. He simply 'is'.

I like this, interesting way of putting it!

 

[Greatest I am]

Doesn't the concept of hell predate Christianity by some time?

Zorastrianism, as far as I know, were the first to speak of a burning hell.

Almost all religions tend to have the belief in 'do what's good and you'll be rewarded in the next life, do what's bad and you'll be punished'.

True. The carrot and stick mentality has been around forever.

Since religion is primarily an external conscience for those who don't trust their own judgement, it follows that ever since man has been able to grasp the idea of being judged for his actions, he's also imagined the consequence to leading a sinful life.

How that sin was defined and what the punishment was though, varied from one religion to another. In the case of Christianity, it often seems that God is held above concepts like good and evil. He simply 'is'.

Yes. He can be as immoral as he likes and the theists will say that it is ok because he is God.
Hence, the genocide of Noah's day is good justice to these foolish minds as well as Sodom and many other instances of God murdering man.

I suggest that if a God cannot at least be moral, then he should be rejected.

BTW. Well said.

Regards
DL

 

[BadBoy]

I hear its where all the cool people hang out.

 

[Greatest I am]

I like this, interesting way of putting it!

Yes.

Bishop Spong suggests that this would change if the church did not so much want it's sheep to be reborn and opted for having them grow up.
growing up is healthier.

Regards
DL

 

[BornReady]

Zorastrianism, as far as I know, were the first to speak of a burning hell.

I read Christianity borrowed quite a few concepts from Zoroastrianism.

I think GIA is right about the burning part. But if you leave that off then hell predates Zoroastrianism. As first conceived, hell was a place where people went when they died, not a place of punishment. Although it was not believed to be a very pleasant place. My guess is hell became a place of punishment when people began to realize there is no divine justice in this life. If God doesn't punish evil in this life then surely he must punish it in the next. Right? Afraid not. Most likely, even if hell exists, no humans will be going there. As distressful as it is, all evidence suggests humans are mortal.

In answer to the question, is hell a good place? No, torture is immoral. There is no rebuttal. Any attempt is just desperate pleading from people who have inherited a horrible doctrine from their parents and priests.

 

[Ash1280]

dionsyxxxyyyyzzz...get in here !

All kidding aside G.I.a.

Think there's a balance between hell and purgatory,depending in life how much you get away with.
I have doubts about hell existing but believe there's a "wait" station called limbo.
Purgatory ?
So far I am not convinced whether it exists or not.

 

[Greatest I am]

I read Christianity borrowed quite a few concepts from Zoroastrianism.

I think GIA is right about the burning part. But if you leave that off then hell predates Zoroastrianism. As first conceived, hell was a place where people went when they died, not a place of punishment. Although it was not believed to be a very pleasant place. My guess is hell became a place of punishment when people began to realize there is no divine justice in this life. If God doesn't punish evil in this life then surely he must punish it in the next. Right? Afraid not. Most likely, even if hell exists, no humans will be going there. As distressful as it is, all evidence suggests humans are mortal.

In answer to the question, is hell a good place? No, torture is immoral. There is no rebuttal. Any attempt is just desperate pleading from people who have inherited a horrible doctrine from their parents and priests.

Exactly right.
It is driven by our need to blame and hope that the revenge they seek is to come and gratify their hate.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

dionsyxxxyyyyzzz...get in here !

All kidding aside G.I.a.

Think there's a balance between hell and purgatory,depending in life how much you get away with.
I have doubts about hell existing but believe there's a "wait" station called limbo.
Purgatory ?
So far I am not convinced whether it exists or not.

Nowhere does scripture speaks of this wait station.
The Church invented it to be fed by indulgences where people were told they could buy their way out.
Flim-flam and lies to gain your $$$ .

Regards
DL

 

[BornReady]

Flim-flam and lies to gain your $$$

I'd be surprised if they're getting any of Ash's money. He's nobody's fool.

 

[Greatest I am]

I'd be surprised if they're getting any of Ash's money. He's nobody's fool.

Let us pray. so to speak. that religions loses all of their fools.

Regards
DL