Intelligent Design as Science

Is it possible for Man to eventually produce a living organism that has unique DNA?

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I don't know if this is still being pushed, but teaching intelligent design should be reserved for Sunday School, not in science class.

I've been debating over starting such a thread, and this is as good a starter as any.

Answer this question:
Do you think it possible for Man to eventually design and produce a living organism with DNA unique to our world? I do.

Is that not Man using his intelligence to design life? Intelligent Design!

If we are capable of intelligent design, then it is not outside the realm of possibility that another intelligence designed us. Maybe not Homo sapiens sapiens right away, but something that evolved into us.

It doesn't have to be a religious deity or magical being, necessarily. Maybe just a race of intelligent beings who lived long before us.

We can keep this discussion completely scientific, or at least science-based.
 
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It could well be the case but the unique DNA would be very hard to produce without cells from an existing person. The science has evolved by leaps and bounds in the last 20 years but we also enter into a moral dilemma if we go any farther. No doubt there are experiments going on in this direction without being sanctioned by institutions.
 

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Imagine a scientist developing a single-celled organism to live on Mars. They shoot it out there and watch to see what happens. A billion years later .... voila!
 

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Imagine a scientist developing a single-celled organism to live on Mars. They shoot it out there and watch to see what happens. A billion years later .... voila!

over a lot of years things might evolve eh :p

for the record I have long stated that it would not surprise me if we were a test tube culture planted by something long ago.

not saying I believe that. just saying I can see it as being a possibility. I have no idea what really put us here
 

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Unfortunately, the poll is flawed. There has to be an 'I don't know' or 'undecided' response. :(

As far as can man create life, I believe it's all ready been done. Will it be a completely new unique DNA? I don't know enough about it to express an opinion, although knowing 'humans', I would not be surprised. :)

The term 'intelligent design' is typically used by religious conservatives to inject their religious beliefs into science, as in let's not use our minds to figure out our place in the universe, let's just rely on this old musty scripture. That IS their purpose, but they completely miss the point. Even if science figures out most/all of the mechanics, and physical laws of the universe, we still don't know why physics are the way there are. There are theories of the multi-verse with multiple universes with different physical laws. Yes, all of this could be the work of a grand deity, but religious conservatives are afraid that knowledge somehow diminishes the concept of God. I'd argue while it might diminish the traditional, biblical view of God, as in the God the Bible/Quran describes, but in no way can it threaten the idea of an all powerful being, and spirituality, simply because there is too much we don't know. But the fear is still there. The Christian views are threatened by science, because it will diminish the details of their belief system. We don't know enough to identify God and it reminds me of Atheists who say that when you die, it's all over. Sure if you limit your view to a dead decaying physical body, it may seem like it's over, but do we really know enough to make that decision? I know I don't.

BTW, this is completely different than the premise you (Accountable) are using to describe 'intelligent design'. Religious conservatives would never allow what man does in the lab to be described as ID. Nor would they go for the idea that ancient aliens designed us, something like the story line of Prometheus. I see it as a possibility as good as any other and I still allow for the idea of some kind of supreme being and a parallel spiritual existence, but I can't say I believe it. I just don't know enough and we don't know enough to teach it as science. It would be better suited for a philosophy course. Just let the scientists keep doing what they are doing... figuring things out based on the scientific method, not philosophy, not guessing, and not conjecture (although I believe conjecture aids the scientific method).
 
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Unfortunately, the poll is flawed. There has to be an 'I don't know' or 'undecided' response. :(
Those who are undecided can wait until they decide to vote. Those who don't know ought to educate themselves before they make decisions anyway.

As far as can man create life, I believe it's all ready been done. Will it be a completely new unique DNA? I don't know enough about it to express an opinion, although knowing 'humans', I would not be surprised. :)
I didn't put a time limit on it. I only asked if it is possible. It's merely a way to get people away from paradigm thinking and kneejerk reactions.

The term 'intelligent design' is typically used by religious conservatives to inject their religious beliefs into science,
Exactomundo! A disingenuous attempt to fool an unwary public, just as the statists do with the words "Progressive" and "Liberal" when they mean centralized and government-controlled, "revenue increases" when they mean tax hikes, and "Homeland Security" when they mean fascist police state.

BTW, this is completely different than the premise you (Accountable) are using to describe 'intelligent design'.
Correct again! That's why I didn't put it in the region section.

Even if science figures out most/all of the mechanics, and physical laws of the universe, we still don't know why physics are the way there are. There are theories of the multi-verse with multiple universes with different physical laws.
That may be so, but it's not necessary to go so far afield to imagine deliberate intelligent design of a life form. We have the technology already, I think (though I could be mistaken). All we lack is a successful experiment. Hell, as you point out, someone might have already done it.

Natural selection and adaptation over time are easily verifiable facts. If a scientist used his own DNA as a base to make, say, an amoeba that can reproduce through binary fission and survive in a martian environment, who's to say that in a few million (or billion) years it won't adapt and mutate into an intelligent biped?

And if that is possible, then it's certainly possible that someone did it already, here on Earth, a few million (billion?) years ago.
 

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It's interesting that two people indicated that they don't think it will ever be possible. I'd be interested to hear their reasoning.
 

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Considering the technology that we have unlocked since I was a child and the fact that I grew up with the, "You can do anything you want. All you have to do is put your mind to it."
This man when he was just a kid, taught me to think that way.
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[video=youtube;MJVLEMbO8cs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MJVLEMbO8cs#t=31 6s[/video]
 
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Correct again! That's why I didn't put it in the region section.

I get your point but think it confuses the discussion because of way the term is popularly used and the preconceived notions associated with it. As it has all been attributed to Godly actions, using it the way you are could get you accused of blasphemy. ;)
 

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Correct again! That's why I didn't put it in the region section.

*Pedant*You'd have had a job if you'd have tried to considering we don't have one.*Pedant*

As for whether it's possible. Sure it is, but it needs a more intelligent being to create it. I'm not sure if we currently have that.
 

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Prometheus
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My position is "its possible"...just depends on when and whether we are around long enough to do it before we die from some global disaster.
 
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