Impeach Bush II

[memento_mori]

four months later, i thought i'd check back on what the public opinion is on impeaching bush.

i'm for impeaching bush.

no, i don't think it's too late. yes, the damage is already done. i know "things aren't that bad. we'll keep living after the bush administration." i don't think bush caused 9/11 or katrina, and we will make it out of the national debt eventually.

but i want to see bush (and dick) impeached. the greatest contributions this administration has done for foreign policy is bypass the UN, start another undeclared war, and make a mockery of the US on the global stage. the domestic policy consisted of heightening security and proposing a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

and i see the news reports fighting to say how controversial the war is with the people, but how many people actually care? other than the 38% approval rating and wagging our fingers, how have we participated in our government?

a democratic republic with out the people is just a politically correct aristocracy.

impeaching bush would send a message that we have a say with what our president does after we elect them, and we don't condone a lot of things this administration has done.

i bring it up now because there will be a march on washington in a couple weeks. while the site can be a bit gimicky, ImpeachBush / VoteToImpeach: has all the details lined out. i know how people hate links, so i might break down some of the reasons i agree with later.

that's my take on it. i expect the majority to be no's, but i like to see the popular opinion.

 

[All Else Failed]

He committed treason by excusing scooter. Definitely an impeachable offense.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The Dumbest Move the Dems Could Make - washingtonpost.com

 

[All Else Failed]

Lets make it easier

ImpeachBush / VoteToImpeach:

 

[GraceAbounds]

Give me an unbiased site to read and I will.

The article I posted above was written by a liberal journalist.

 

[All Else Failed]

I put that up there for anyone who wants to sign it.


Also: Theres no such thing as unbiased. Just the degree to which the author hides it. ;^)

 

[NightWarrior]

Exactly what crime has he committed to be impeached? Bad decision making is not an impeachable offense unless it leads to a crime. As far as I know, he has not done the latter.

I am so looking forward to a democrat becoming president so I can pay more to taxes, watch inflation skyrocket and the economy go boom. Yep, can't wait for that.

You can cry about the deficit, but how exactly does it affect you as an individual? What I'd really like to see is the Politics taken out of the government. I do not want a government providing for the people. Thats not what this country is about.

 

[dt3]

He committed treason by excusing scooter. Definitely an impeachable offense.

I thought pardons were a right given to the President. In the Constitution I believe.

 

[Tim]

I thought pardons were a right given to the President. In the Constitution I believe.

It is the Presidents right to pardon.... But if the pardon was proven to be motivation for Scooter's silence in Presidential wrong doing... then it is an impeachable offense.

"In the [Constitutional] convention George Mason argued that the President might use his pardoning power to 'pardon crimes which were advised by himself' or, before indictment or conviction, 'to stop inquiry and prevent detection.' James Madison responded:
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"f the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds [to] believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty. . . ."
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"Madison went on to [say] contrary to his position in the Philadelphia convention, that the President could be suspended when suspected, and his powers would devolve on the Vice President, who could likewise be suspended until impeached and convicted, if he were also suspected.

 

[dt3]

It is the Presidents right to pardon.... But if the pardon was proven to be motivation for Scooter's silence in Presidential wrong doing... then it is an impeachable offense.

Very true. But good luck proving it

 

[Tim]

I don't know if it can be proved or not, only time will tell... I was just helping you understand why it is brought up as an impeachable offense.

I would would say yes to impeachment on two counts... the NSA warrantless wire taps authorized by Bush, and the fact it must be shown that the President will be held accountable for his actions. The later reason is the one that I feel is most important. If you don't hold the President accountable now, it will only empower future Presidents whether it be Democrat or Republican to do whatever they please. They must answer to the people on violations of the Constitution.

 

[dt3]

the NSA warrantless wire taps authorized by Bush

Those were deemed Constitutional by the Supreme Court, right?

 

[All Else Failed]

I thought pardons were a right given to the President. In the Constitution I believe.

Yes, but his pardon in this situation was a treasonous act. Just because you have the power to pardon, doesn't mean that you can pardon whomever you want regardless of what they did.

 

[All Else Failed]

Exactly what crime has he committed to be impeached? Bad decision making is not an impeachable offense unless it leads to a crime. As far as I know, he has not done the latter.

I am so looking forward to a democrat becoming president so I can pay more to taxes, watch inflation skyrocket and the economy go boom. Yep, can't wait for that.

You can cry about the deficit, but how exactly does it affect you as an individual? What I'd really like to see is the Politics taken out of the government. I do not want a government providing for the people. Thats not what this country is about.

Voting a democrat into the oval office doesn't mean that your taxes are going up.


The deficite effects EVERYTHING.


Know what this country shouldn't be about? Imperialism.

 

[dt3]

Yes, but his pardon in this situation was a treasonous act. Just because you have the power to pardon, doesn't mean that you can pardon whomever you want regardless of what they did.

he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[GraceAbounds]

The House of Representatives Judiciary Committee has not considered the impeachment of President Bush and the House of Representatives has taken no action to do so. The Democratic Party leadership has indicated that they have no intention of resolving to impeach President Bush.

 

[All Else Failed]

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U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Except he was aiding and embedding the enemy, and it doesn't just magically strip him of responsibility of the pardon.

 

[NightWarrior]

Voting a democrat into the oval office doesn't mean that your taxes are going up.


The deficite effects EVERYTHING.


Know what this country shouldn't be about? Imperialism.

Are you kidding me? They have already said they would. Also, ever since I have been of tax paying age they have risen when a democrat has taken office, so that pretty much means they will go up to me.

What does the deficit affect, exactly? I mean, give me something specific because I surely don't see it bothering me. I could care less if we keep printing money and I could care less if we owe country X a billion dollars. Let 'em come collect it and then we'll stop protecting them or exporting or letting them import goods to us.

Our country is so not Imperialistic. However, like I have said before, if you don't like it, Canada and Mexico are really close.

 

[All Else Failed]

Are you kidding me? They have already said they would. Also, ever since I have been of tax paying age they have risen when a democrat has taken office, so that pretty much means they will go up to me.

What does the deficit affect, exactly? I mean, give me something specific because I surely don't see it bothering me. I could care less if we keep printing money and I could care less if we owe country X a billion dollars. Let 'em come collect it and then we'll stop protecting them or exporting or letting them import goods to us.

Our country is so not Imperialistic. However, like I have said before, if you don't like it, Canada and Mexico are really close.

The whole attitude of "hey it doesn't effect me" IS the very thing that will effect everyone. Your children's children's children will still be paying this massive debt off when you are long gone. You think thats no big deal to leave that to them?


If you don't think we are imperialistic you haven't looked hard enough. America has a long history of imperialism. Oh and the whole "love it or leave it" saying is incredibly old and ill informed.





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[NightWarrior]

We are a country built upon debt. Who cares who pays it off and if ever, seriously. Go buy a house. I would bet a million dollars you will never pay it off and still live in it.

But seriously, you can love it or leave it makes no difference to me. Its whiny babies like you who push our country backwards, certainly not forward. Come up with a plan, get elected change the world if you have an idea. Otherwise your just pissing in the wind and pissing off the Venom.