Imagine A World Without Islam!

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Imagine A World Without Islam!
By Abdus Sattar Ghazali 17 January, 2008
Take away Islam, and the world would still be left with the main forces that drive today's conflicts, including colonialism, cross-national ideologies, ethnic conflicts and terrorism, says Graham Fuller, a former Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA in charge of long-range strategic forecasting and currently a professor of history at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, British Columbia (Canada).
In his article entitled A World Without Islam, published in Foreign Policy, Fuller believes that given our intense current focus on terrorism, war, and rampant anti-Americanism it's vital to understand the true sources of these crises. He poses a question, is Islam the source of the problem or does it tend to lie with other less obvious and deeper factors?
Fuller presents his thoughts on Islam in an extended game of "what if." What if Islam had never arisen in the Middle East? What if there had never been a Prophet Mohammed, no saga of the spread of Islam across vast parts of the Middle East, Asia, and Africa? Would there still be violent clashes between the West and that part of the world? Would the Middle East be more peaceful? How different might the character of East-West relations be?
Fuller ponders a litany of history's major battles and events to drive home his message that while Islam might be a convenient culprit, but global strife, past and present, can't be blamed on any one religion. Europeans would still have wanted the spoils of the Middle East and launched the Crusades albeit under a different banner. " After all, what were the Crusades if not a Western adventure driven primarily by political, social, and economic needs? The banner of Christianity was little more than a potent symbol, a rallying cry to bless the more secular urges of powerful Europeans. In fact, the particular religion of the natives never figured highly in the West's imperial push across the globe. Europe may have spoken upliftingly about bringing "Christian values to the natives," but the patent goal was to establish colonial outposts as sources of wealth for the metropole and bases for Western power projection."
And so it's unlikely that Christian inhabitants of the Middle East would have welcomed the stream of European fleets and their merchants backed by Western guns, he says adding that Imperialism would have prospered in the region's complex ethnic mosaic--the raw materials for the old game of divide and rule. And Europeans still would have installed the same pliable local rulers to accommodate their needs. We doublespeak about promoting democracy in the Middle East as we back autocratic, despotic and undemocratic client regimes there.
On the U.S. occupation of Iraq, he says that it would not have been welcome by Iraqis even if they were Christian. Fuller points out that the United States did not overthrow Saddam Hussein, an intensely nationalist and secular leader, because he was Muslim and other Arab peoples would still have supported the Iraqi Arabs in their trauma of occupation. "Nowhere do people welcome foreign occupation and the killing of their citizens at the hands of foreign troops. Indeed, groups threatened by such outside forces invariably cast about for appropriate ideologies to justify and glorify their resistance struggle. Religion is one such ideology."
The West still would have tried various ways to get control of oil-rich areas, according to Fuller. But Middle Eastern Christians would not have welcomed imperial Western oil companies, backed by their European vice-regents, diplomats, intelligence agents, and armies, any more than Muslims did. Look at the long history of Latin American reactions to American domination of their oil, economics, and politics. The Middle East would have been equally keen to create nationalist anti-colonial movements to wrest control of their own soil, markets, sovereignty, and destiny from foreign grip--just like anti-colonial struggles in Hindu India, Confucian China, Buddhist Vietnam, and a Christian and animist Africa.
On the current Israeli-Palestinian problem, Fuller believes that Jews would have still sought a homeland outside Europe and the Zionist movement would still have emerged and sought a base in Palestine even if the Middle East was Christian. Why, because, he explains, it was Christians who shamelessly persecuted Jews for more than a millennium, culminating in the Holocaust. These horrific examples of anti-Semitism were firmly rooted in Western Christian lands and culture, he says. "And the new Jewish state would still have dislodged the same 750,000 Arab natives of Palestine from their lands even if they had been Christian--and indeed some of them were. Would not these Arab Palestinians have fought to protect or regain their own land?"
The Israeli-Palestinian problem remains at heart a national, ethnic, and territorial conflict, only recently bolstered by religious slogans, Fuller said adding that we should not forget that Arab Christians played a major role in the early emergence of the whole Arab nationalist movement in the Middle East. He recalls that the ideological founder of the first pan-Arab Baath party, Michel Aflaq, was a Sorbonne-educated Syrian Christian.

On blaming Islam for current violence and terrorism, Fuller echoes Robert Pape's argument about the strategic, social and personal motivations work together to encourage suicide terrorism. Pape, in his book Dying to Win : The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, argues that nationalism and religious difference between the rebels and a dominant democratic state are the main conditions under which the "alien" occupation of a community's homeland is likely to lead to a campaign of suicide terrorism. He finds that religion plays a smaller part than thought.
Fuller reminds that the West's memories are short when it focuses on terrorism in the name of Islam. He recalls: "Jewish guerrillas used terrorism against the British in Palestine. Sri Lankan Hindu Tamil "Tigers" invented the art of the suicide vest and for more than a decade led the world in the use of suicide bombings--including the assassination of Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. Greek terrorists carried out assassination operations against U.S. officials in Athens. Organized Sikh terrorism killed Indira Gandhi, spread havoc in India, established an overseas base in Canada , and brought down an Air India flight over the Atlantic. Macedonian terrorists were widely feared all across the Balkans on the eve of World War I. Dozens of major assassinations in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were carried out by European and American "anarchists," sowing collective fear. The Irish Republican Army employed brutally effective terrorism against the British for decades, as did communist guerrillas and terrorists in Vietnam against Americans, communist Malayans against British soldiers in the 1950s, Mau-Mau terrorists against British officers in Kenya --the list goes on. It doesn't take a Muslim to commit terrorism."
Fuller points out that even the recent history of terrorist activity doesn't look much different. "According to Europol, 498 terrorist attacks took place in the European Union in 2006. Of these, 424 were perpetrated by separatist groups, 55 by left-wing extremists, and 18 by various other terrorists. Only 1 was carried out by Islamists."
Fuller makes a compelling argument that conflict between East and West remains all about the grand historical and geopolitical issues of human history: ethnicity, nationalism, ambition, greed, resources, local leaders, turf, financial gain, power, interventions, and hatred of outsiders, invaders, and imperialists. Faced with timeless issues like these, how could the power of religion not be invoked, he asked.
He also reminds us that virtually every one of the principle horrors of the 20th century came almost exclusively from strictly secular regimes: Leopold II of Belgium in the Congo, Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin and Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. It was Europeans who visited their "world wars" twice upon the rest of the world—two devastating global conflicts with no remote parallels in Islamic history.
Some today might wish for a "world without Islam" in which these problems presumably had never come to be. But, in truth, the conflicts, rivalries, and crises of such a world might not look so vastly different than the ones we know today, Fuller concludes.
In short, Fuller has done a great job in spelling out the real root of the contemporary problems which lie in imperialism/colonialism, more than religion, although certainly religion is a part. His paradigm repudiates uninformed and biased pundits and neoconservatives who condemn Islam as the root of all conflict and see "Islamofascism" the sworn foe of the West in a looming "World War III."
Abdus Sattar Ghazali is the Executive Editor of the online magazine American Muslim Perspective: www.amperspective.com E-mail: asghazali@gmail.com
 
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Talk about stating the obvious, to think this professor got paid time off to write this... It's alright for some lol

It's of course true that the wests period of Middle eastern repression and exploitation always meant future complications, Islam is just a vessel for those who feel most agrieved to let out their frustrations violently. But that is still not an excuse, just as some of activities committed by the west in the Scramble for the Middle East and Africa were inexcusable.
 

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Talk about stating the obvious, to think this professor got paid time off to write this... It's alright for some lol

It's of course true that the wests period of Middle eastern repression and exploitation always meant future complications, Islam is just a vessel for those who feel most agrieved to let out their frustrations violently. But that is still not an excuse, just as some of activities committed by the west in the Scramble for the Middle East and Africa were inexcusable.


wish someone could 'pay' me as well for doing a write up on 'World without Christianity and Judaism'! :)

Lust and greed have no religion and nothing would change even if Islam was not there!
 

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I frequently try to imagine a world without Islam.


MY opinion as stated affects only myself. (My personal imagination)

YOUR opinions as stated implies that it it affects millions. (ALL of the world's problems)

That is textbook arrogance.
 
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and Muslims do the other way round!
And that's the root cause of all problems

That's a pretty fucking arrogant thing to say.

The world has a myriad of problems that have absolutely nothing to do with Islam or any other religion.
 

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I'd like to imagine a world without organized religions in it, period.

I am tired of religions warring each other over whomever's God has the biggest - is the most powerful.

The intolerance & hate of those that think differently it brings to this day is disgusting.
 

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I'd like to imagine a world without organized religions in it, period.

I am tired of religions warring each other over whomever's God has the biggest - is the most powerful.

The intolerance & hate of those that think differently it brings to this day is disgusting.


Are you suggesting that we returned to the Stone Age or even before it when there was no organized society or religion??
 

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Hey Maz can you give a rebuttal to this

Using some sources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded


I was shocked to hear the commentary!! Totally riduculous and false. This is the kind of evil propaganda that
is fanning the war between the Muslims and the West!!

First of all, as I had been telling before on this forum (read my thread What is Sharia?) Sharia is NOT a unified
code of Law governing Muslims. Sharia has been interpreted differently by different sects of Muslims the world over!
Although the Quran is the SAME for every Muslim yet its interpretations differ from sect to sect..
So there's least to blame unless you KNOW what Sharia you are referring to??

BTW It's totally FALSE that Muslim lie and are double-faced. Certainly NO.
If that were so someone from the scores of Muslim sects would be the first one to be offended and you never know
what fate a liar in Quranic matters would be madeto suffer....this IS the reason that Muslim sects are killing each
other wothout any remorse..
Perhaps you know t the two major sects of Muslims are s
 
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Are you suggesting that we returned to the Stone Age or even before it when there was no organized society or religion??

Typical example of your sometimes blinkered thought process.
Progression has always been the bane of religion, it's regression that religion loves.
 

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contd.............2

are Sunni's and Shia's. The Sunni's are the liberal ones, whereas the Shia's are basically the One's who believe in TAQAYYA!! and you can find them mostly in Iran (the world Headquarter of Shia's) , Iraq and somewhat in other parts of the Middle East ...

Other Muslim sects are smaller but many in number...scattered all over the world!

Judging Muslims on the basis of TAQAYYA is ridiculous and patheticall false.
Sunni's don't believe in such bullshit!!

The Video says that the Quran was written by a man....that's against Muslim belief.

Muslim cannot question the Quran...that's basic.

Punishments are severe..true.


Benefits are great.....total security is guranteed by a Muslim welfare state to men and women equally.

Like the Crusade ,Religious wars (Jihad) are also allowed to Muslims.......yes for some Godly reason or when someone attacks a Muslim country!

I hate to see what a twisted and false story the video is trying to convey to non-Muslims only to confuse and frighten them.

Sharia is what the Quran says....but it again depends how a Muslim interprets Sharia in his own words! For example many things which Muslims do around the world are wrong according to MY Sharia!

I hope I have been able to clarify some misconceptions> however if you have some specific questions plz feel free to ask....MY SHARIA IS THE BEST!!:)



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Are you suggesting that we returned to the Stone Age or even before it when there was no organized society or religion??


More like a moving forward moment when people realize they don't have to be carrying the mind-chains placed upon them by men who seek to control them by feeding them their dogma from a young age. Profiting in money and power by dumbing down their followers.

Free thought. Afterall, it is the 21st Century :24: Pardon me if I don't hold my breath on that.
 
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