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alice in chains

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Are ideas created or revealed? That's a question I've had for a long time and am really no closer to a quality, well-thought out explanation than from the first time I questioned it.

even mathematics is not a fact, only a high probability of being universally accurate. therefore, it's only a tool to explain our surroundings.
 
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I cannot believe I'm replying to something so obvious. Ideas need the mind to be sparked. They do not arise from nothingness.
 

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I had a professor who studied this quite in depth and even in 20 years he didn't really come to an answer he felt comfortable with. Lots of Lacan and Mead later...it seems to be all about individual perspective intermingled with social conditioning.
 

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Not sure I understand the question well enough to attempt an answer. But it reminds me of something Michelangelo said.

Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it.
 

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Do you mean we already have ideas programmed into us, they only need to be unveiled?

If that is how I understand it, I'm not sure I like that idea. I think there's too much of an element of chance as to how an idea might arise.
 

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i think it is a mixture

in our deep sub conscience there may well lie notions, or the seedings of ideas, yet they need external stimuli to germinate into well grounded logical ideas that can be rationalised
 

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more in depth i'm saying that for something to be revealed, it must've had to already exist in concept. and for something to be created means it didn't exist before; if it didn't exist at one time, how could it have been created?

as Panacea said her professor studied it for 20 years, that doesn't give me much confidence lol
 

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perhaps then created rather than revealed, but the creation does not stem from a vacuum, a pre existing notion, a base concept must lie dormant and it takes the introduction of new, external thought to bring it into to the light
 

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perhaps then created rather than revealed, but the creation does not stem from a vacuum, a pre existing notion, a base concept must lie dormant and it takes the introduction of new, external thought to bring it into to the light

interesting answer. this thought reminds me of why religion and science will never mix together. the beauty of religion is that it does not have to answer to science because it cannot be explained. in history, religion has thought to be proven wrong because of scientific advances. an example would be copernicus' theory that the earth is not the center of the universe and the church's response. that did not prove religion or faith is false, but rather religion had the truth misconceived. this is because true faith in religion is not bound by the limits of scientific evidence.
 
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