How does a religion play its role in a secular country??

[mazHur]

Don't you think this is mostly the case with the followers of the Abrahamic and other Books everywhere?


How does a religion play its role in a secular country?? Is that equitable?? Does that rightly separate religion from the state?? Why's then 'In God we trust' printed on the dollar bill??







"The Rise and Fall of the Bible": Rethinking the Good Book


American Christians buy millions of Bibles they seldom read and don't understand


http://www.salon.com/books/laura_miller/index.html

 

[Minor Axis]

How does a religion play its role in a secular country?? Is that equitable?? Does that rightly separate religion from the state?? Why's then 'In God we trust' printed on the dollar bill??

What is your opinion on this subject?

 

[mazHur]

Living in a so-called Muslim country ( i mean a country where Muslim are the majority but it doesn't mean that Islam is enforced there necessary purposes or intents) like Pakistan, I observed that

1. Foods such as pork, blood, dead meat, wine,etc, which are forbidden by the Quran are legally not allowed. This had no impact on my life.

2. Legally and constitutionally, Pakistan is declared as an Islamic Republic, hence only a Muslim can be the head of the state. there is no other exception for any other rank or status. Again this has not affected my life in any way.

3. Islamic punishment nor Islamic 'rewards' are not observed and British law with some legal modifications is enforced in Pakistan. This also has made me no difference.

4. As for blasphemy law, it is a legal and Statutory command so everybody is required to obey it. Those who don't are dealt with this law. Whether the law is good or bad is another issue....and is still under debate but the whole Parliament has passed it with total consensus therefore it can only be modified by the Parliament only. Good or bad, it has to be accepted in its present form. moreso because the general public is in its favor!

5. There is total freedom of speech etc in Pakistan to one and all...it is all there in the Constitution of 1973 and Statutes. I can bet that today Pakistani electronic and press media is more free than any other media in the world!!

6. Women are free to enter field any legal occupation, work in offices or live as they like withing the legal parameters prescribed by Law. Same holds true for men and there is no gender discrimination here.

7. I have noted that no one compels me to follow my religion, Islam, and I live as I feel I ought to live according to my faith here and even if I was in China or the US without causing anyone else any trouble!

Thus it may be noted that religion doesn't interfere with the general life of any of its citizens, whether they belong to the minority or the majority.

All this goes to show that religion makes little difference in the lives of its citizens. Now you can compare YOUR secular and democratic country or countries in the light of factors above and let me know what have you gained by separating state from religion, at least in ''theory'', because a great chunk of your population still begins to wag its swords on its opponents when it comes to religious differences!!

State stripped from religion, some say, is like a person half-blind half deaf??

 

[mazHur]

Living in a so-called Muslim country ( i mean a country where Muslim are the majority but it doesn't mean that Islam is enforced there necessary purposes or intents) like Pakistan, I observed that

1. Foods such as pork, blood, dead meat, wine,etc, which are forbidden by the Quran are legally not allowed. This had no impact on my life.

2. Legally and constitutionally, Pakistan is declared as an Islamic Republic, hence only a Muslim can be the head of the state. there is no other exception for any other rank or status. Again this has not affected my life in any way.

3. Islamic punishment nor Islamic 'rewards' are not observed and British law with some legal modifications is enforced in Pakistan. This also has made me no difference.

4. As for blasphemy law, it is a legal and Statutory command so everybody is required to obey it. Those who don't are dealt with this law. Whether the law is good or bad is another issue....and is still under debate but the whole Parliament has passed it with total consensus therefore it can only be modified by the Parliament only. Good or bad, it has to be accepted in its present form. moreso because the general public is in its favor!

5. There is total freedom of speech etc in Pakistan to one and all...it is all there in the Constitution of 1973 and Statutes. I can bet that today Pakistani electronic and press media is more free than any other media in the world!!

6. Women are free to enter field any legal occupation, work in offices or live as they like withing the legal parameters prescribed by Law. Same holds true for men and there is no gender discrimination here.

7. I have noted that no one compels me to follow my religion, Islam, and I live as I feel I ought to live according to my faith here and even if I was in China or the US without causing anyone else any trouble!

Thus it may be noted that religion doesn't interfere with the general life of any of its citizens, whether they belong to the minority or the majority.

All this goes to show that religion makes little difference in the lives of its citizens. Now you can compare YOUR secular and democratic country or countries in the light of factors above and let me know what have you gained by separating state from religion, at least in ''theory'', because a great chunk of your population still begins to wag its swords on its opponents when it comes to religious differences!!

State stripped from religion, some say, is like a person half-blind half deaf??

 

[Minor Axis]

Living in a so-called Muslim country ( i mean a country where Muslim are the majority but it doesn't mean that Islam is enforced there necessary purposes or intents) like Pakistan, I observed that

1. Foods such as pork, blood, dead meat, wine,etc, which are forbidden by the Quran are legally not allowed. This had no impact on my life.

It has no impact on your life because you do without to abide by your beliefs. Food forbidden by religion, strike one.

2. Legally and constitutionally, Pakistan is declared as an Islamic Republic, hence only a Muslim can be the head of the state. there is no other exception for any other rank or status. Again this has not affected my life in any way.

Religion discriminating who can represent the State or the People. Strike 2.

3. Islamic punishment nor Islamic 'rewards' are not observed and British law with some legal modifications is enforced in Pakistan. This also has made me no difference.

If you are referring to Sharai Law and things like stoning which is barbaric, killing adulterous women, but allowing the adulterous men who had sex with them to go unscathed, strike 3.

4. As for blasphemy law, it is a legal and Statutory command so everybody is required to obey it. Those who don't are dealt with this law. Whether the law is good or bad is another issue....and is still under debate but the whole Parliament has passed it with total consensus therefore it can only be modified by the Parliament only. Good or bad, it has to be accepted in its present form. moreso because the general public is in its favor!

Religion dictating your beliefs or at a minimum suppressing the ability to express contrary views, strike 4.

5. There is total freedom of speech etc in Pakistan to one and all...it is all there in the Constitution of 1973 and Statutes. I can bet that today Pakistani electronic and press media is more free than any other media in the world!!

Absolutely false, religious intolerance does not allow free speech. One example blasphemy laws. Strike 5.

6. Women are free to enter field any legal occupation, work in offices or live as they like withing the legal parameters prescribed by Law. Same holds true for men and there is no gender discrimination here.

You are myopic, kidding yourself, rationalizing, or trying to sell unsuspecting forum participants a false bill of goods on the subject of women and their rights as compared to men in traditional conservative Islamic countries, strike 6.

7. I have noted that no one compels me to follow my religion, Islam, and I live as I feel I ought to live according to my faith here and even if I was in China or the US without causing anyone else any trouble!

The authorities only compel you to hide your beliefs if they are contrary to Islam, strike 7.

Thus it may be noted that religion doesn't interfere with the general life of any of its citizens, whether they belong to the minority or the majority.

Every example you have cited interferes with the ability to make choices, strike 8.

All this goes to show that religion makes little difference in the lives of its citizens. Now you can compare YOUR secular and democratic country or countries in the light of factors above and let me know what have you gained by separating state from religion, at least in ''theory'', because a great chunk of your population still begins to wag its swords on its opponents when it comes to religious differences!!

Absolutely false. Excuse me if I don't drink your Kool Aid.

State stripped from religion, some say, is like a person half-blind half deaf??

Yes the religious zealots who demand that you think the way they think, say that. Maybe unwittingly, but you have done a great job of illustrating the danger of allowing religion to be in charge and dictating how individuals will live. Thanks.

How many participants here, buy the OP's line of reasoning? I ask with all due respect.

 

[Maldoror]

lol wow that was a stupid thread.