How Do We Know?

[memento_mori]

so how do we know what we know? what's iron clad evidence? how can we know we're right? what's the difference between perception and reality? if a tree falls down and no one's around to hear it, can i make it in time to watch Scrubs?

 

[dt3]

I sure hope so, it's a damn good show!

 

[All Else Failed]

Ewww scrubs isn't even funny.




But yeah...if something is discovered, tested multiple times, well researched and experimented with and documented by numerous people, then I guess you could say "we know" it exists.

 

[memento_mori]

plato believed our mental world is more real than our visual world.

and he has a point. no matter how many tests you run, sights you see, people you meet, it's never more knowable than your own thoughts and feelings.

 

[All Else Failed]

I can tell this is going to be heavily philosophical. :tongue:

 

[Sneakiecat]

no matter how many tests you run, sights you see, people you meet, it's never more knowable than your own thoughts and feelings.

This goes back to the pain idea on the other thread. Yes, you can do brain scans to see pain but to a person who doesn't feel it, see that doesn't make it anymore real. It's like telling a deaf person that there's sound, you just have to trust the hearing people.

I have subjective tinnitus. It is extremely difficult to prove that I have it. You can't hear it. Only a very sensitive microphone can pick it up. But that doesn't mean it's not a very real problem. Lots of people experience things that other people can't (excluding things like drugs and mental illnesses). It doesn't they don't exsist.

 

[All Else Failed]

It might not seem real to the person that cannot feel pain, but in all actuality it is real. But I get what you're saying.

 

[Boomer]

I like where memento is going with this. I think the mental world is overlooked by the majority. The mind is very interesting to me. *grabs a seat*

 

[Sneakiecat]

It might not seem real to the person that cannot feel pain, but in all actuality it is real. But I get what you're saying.

But how do you prove it to them? Just saying it's real has no meaning to someone who has not experienced it.

 

[All Else Failed]

But how do you prove it to them? Just saying it's real has no meaning to someone who has not experienced it.

By showing the proof. Bring them to a hospital? Show them pain tests? Almost every single person on the planet can't be lieing to you.

 

[memento_mori]

never underestimate the power of denial. for all they know you could be staging the whole thing.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Have you ever tried to explain something to someone who can't experience what you are explaining? My friend and I tried to explain to a deaf student we were working with that chewing gum with her mouth open was not appropriate because of the noise it makes. You can't just say "You're making a noise that bothers me." She had no idea what we meant and only stopped when we told her that it's considered rude to chew with your mouth open. To her, every hearing person is lying because she has no way of experiencing it.

 

[All Else Failed]

So, if a deaf person sees people talking, laughing and conversing, they still will think its not real? I think you will be hard pressed to find a deaf person who thinks people are somehow "staging" all of this. They may not know what sound is like, but by the simple fact they see people react to each other talking should be evidence enough that there is sounds, even if they never experianced it.

 

[memento_mori]

how can i even prove deaf people exist? i think they're faking that too. it's all a giant conspiracy.

 

[All Else Failed]

Sorry I can not reply since I do not believe your post is even real.



:tongue:

 

[memento_mori]

i think you're some kind of puppet created by my subconscious, refusing to post because He knows i'm on to Him. i'm getting closer...:crazy:

 

[All Else Failed]

lmao



































(burn your house down)

 

[memento_mori]

most of what we 'know' comes from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th hand sources anyway. can we prove anything that isn't happening right now?

 

[Sneakiecat]

So, if a deaf person sees people talking, laughing and conversing, they still will think its not real? I think you will be hard pressed to find a deaf person who thinks people are somehow "staging" all of this. They may not know what sound is like, but by the simple fact they see people react to each other talking should be evidence enough that there is sounds, even if they never experianced it.

It's not the fact that sound exsist but how it can effect us. When the dorm mother was saying that the student sounded like a cow while chewing the gum and that it is annoying, the student had no idea what an annoying sound is or that they even exsist.

 

[All Else Failed]

It's not the fact that sound exsist but how it can effect us. When the dorm mother was saying that the student sounded like a cow while chewing the gum and that it is annoying, the student had no idea what an annoying sound is or that they even exsist.

What about sound waves and sonic phenomena? The body can feel those physically.