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Disclaimer: First off, don't respond to this if you only read one part, read the whole thing through before you rip it apart. It is an research paper from HS that I shortened up a bit. My point is not to take anything away from the solders who brought Hitler down, or to promote Hitler, it is to show that by looking at a situation at different angles yields different results. Furthermore, Hitler’s ideal race can be viewed as similar to Christianity.

Hitler was baptized and raised as a catholic, where he then developed a hatred for those seen as unworthy of the creator. From the slums of inner city, he found himself appalled at the immigrant's disrespect for the fatherland and the law's authority. As he saw himself a man of German-Austrian heritage in the midst of the slums and poverty, looking at these immigrants, finding prosperity through their conniving, scandalous, and manipulative practices, he would crystallize his fanatic German nationalist and anti-Semite views. Hitler eventually came to blame Communism and Jewry for everything he disliked. The strong anti-Semitism against Jews was not uncommon at the time. Jews had been prosecuted since the fourth century. Martin Luther, a German monk in the sixteenth century who sparked the protestant reformation described Jews as demons, arch-criminals, and the enemies of Christianity. The Catholic Church enacted rules forbidding Christians to marry or have sexual relations with Jews, restricted their education, employment, legal rights, and housing rights, and enforcing them to wear badges that noted them as Jews. It is these views that gave Hitler the inclination to carry out his plans. Hitler saw the German people as a higher race, whose land had been infested with people who disgraced their home and their creator. Hitler’s goal was to restore pride, power, and faith in the German people. He wanted to build an empire that would hold high on their morals and virtues; a master race, perfect in physical, mental, and moral arenas. His followers were not evil Germans as we think of them, rather they were moms and dads, relatives and neighbors. They were the proud people of German-Austria, and in support of their country just as Americans were proud in support of their country though they knew of Japanese relocation camps in WWII.

Hitler’s plans for new order were fueled by one main goal; he wanted to gain enough land for his master race. This required the removal of any people that were considered to be undesirable. He also wanted to rid Germany and its conquered lands of communism. It would be in these two points that Hitler got carried away; had he sought a more acceptable method of gaining enough space for his superior race; he would have been adored for it. In order to purify the German lands for his master race, he needed to expel the “contaminants”.

Though Hitler strayed from his original plans and never saw his visions become reality, his ideal Germany, would have several similarities with Christianities Heaven. By seeing pictures of the Hitler youth performing their synchronized stretching and exercises as they prepare for a game of soccer, one could stumble upon a comparison that had previously barely crossed the mind. Everyone was dress in clean, white shirts, with similar body size and, with few exceptions, was topped of with blonde hair. If we were to exchange their white shirts for white robes, and we threw in some puffy white clouds, a couple of harps and a golden gate, we would have a rather generic conception of Christianity’s Heaven. Just as heaven, Hitler’s land was a place where the people would live for the ruler, free of impurities, but these area are not open to just anybody; a person must meet certain standards to live there. Hitler would set the standards and chose his disciples, not only by their heritage to ensure purification, but also by their morally just and virtuous qualities in an attempt to be closer to their Creator. Christ chooses those who are to live with his father and him by their morals and faith; still, his selection is with the same attempt to be closer to god. With just these few points, it’s easy to let the comparisons between apparent opposites unravel.

Not only do the comparisons between Hitler’s ideal Germany and Heaven, but a comparison can be made to the darkness of the opposites as well. Hitler was directly or indirectly responsible for the death of 40 million Europeans. He was also responsible for the brief re-establishment of power, pride, and prosperity of a German racial community of 85 million that would strive for salvation within the Catholic Church. We can easily see that Hitler hurt 40 million, but in his eyes it was the salvation of 85 million. Christ shows us that he too has this problem of hurting just as many as he loves when he says “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten..” (Revelations, 3:19). Hitler, through his Hitler Youth, would raise his children in his ways and beliefs, accepting those that met with his standards, expelling those unworthy of his empire. Christ raises his children through Christianity, in his ways and beliefs, accepting those who meet with his standards, expelling those considered unworthy of his kingdom. Death camps were Hitler’s Hell.

Many world-renowned leaders, including Mahatma Gandhi and Winston Churchill revered Hitler. The larger idea behind this is that the world is full of truths and realities that are another’s lies and fantasies. How much of this world is obviously one way? How much of the world do we condemn and discard because all we see is hidden in its darkness? How much of the world do we revere because all we see is shown in its light? What do we learn from closing our minds to the dynamics of the world and accepting the one sided views of ignorance? As the angle of on our life changes, so does the view.
 
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OUZBnd said:
Disclaimer: First off, don't respond to this if you only read one part, read the whole thing through before you rip it apart. It is an research paper from HS that I shortened up a bit. My point is not to take anything away from the solders who brought Hitler down, or to promote Hitler, it is to show that by looking at a situation at different angles yields different results. Furthermore, Hitler’s ideal race can be viewed as similar to Christianity.

Hitler was baptized and raised as a catholic, where he then developed a hatred for those seen as unworthy of the creator. From the slums of inner city, he found himself appalled at the immigrant's disrespect for the fatherland and the law's authority. As he saw himself a man of German-Austrian heritage in the midst of the slums and poverty, looking at these immigrants, finding prosperity through their conniving, scandalous, and manipulative practices, he would crystallize his fanatic German nationalist and anti-Semite views. Hitler eventually came to blame Communism and Jewry for everything he disliked. The strong anti-Semitism against Jews was not uncommon at the time. Jews had been prosecuted since the fourth century. Martin Luther, a German monk in the sixteenth century who sparked the protestant reformation described Jews as demons, arch-criminals, and the enemies of Christianity. The Catholic Church enacted rules forbidding Christians to marry or have sexual relations with Jews, restricted their education, employment, legal rights, and housing rights, and enforcing them to wear badges that noted them as Jews. It is these views that gave Hitler the inclination to carry out his plans. Hitler saw the German people as a higher race, whose land had been infested with people who disgraced their home and their creator. Hitler’s goal was to restore pride, power, and faith in the German people. He wanted to build an empire that would hold high on their morals and virtues; a master race, perfect in physical, mental, and moral arenas. His followers were not evil Germans as we think of them, rather they were moms and dads, relatives and neighbors. They were the proud people of German-Austria, and in support of their country just as Americans were proud in support of their country though they knew of Japanese relocation camps in WWII.

Hitler’s plans for new order were fueled by one main goal; he wanted to gain enough land for his master race. This required the removal of any people that were considered to be undesirable. He also wanted to rid Germany and its conquered lands of communism. It would be in these two points that Hitler got carried away; had he sought a more acceptable method of gaining enough space for his superior race; he would have been adored for it. In order to purify the German lands for his master race, he needed to expel the “contaminants”.

Though Hitler strayed from his original plans and never saw his visions become reality, his ideal Germany, would have several similarities with Christianities Heaven. By seeing pictures of the Hitler youth performing their synchronized stretching and exercises as they prepare for a game of soccer, one could stumble upon a comparison that had previously barely crossed the mind. Everyone was dress in clean, white shirts, with similar body size and, with few exceptions, was topped of with blonde hair. If we were to exchange their white shirts for white robes, and we threw in some puffy white clouds, a couple of harps and a golden gate, we would have a rather generic conception of Christianity’s Heaven. Just as heaven, Hitler’s land was a place where the people would live for the ruler, free of impurities, but these area are not open to just anybody; a person must meet certain standards to live there. Hitler would set the standards and chose his disciples, not only by their heritage to ensure purification, but also by their morally just and virtuous qualities in an attempt to be closer to their Creator. Christ chooses those who are to live with his father and him by their morals and faith; still, his selection is with the same attempt to be closer to god. With just these few points, it’s easy to let the comparisons between apparent opposites unravel.

Not only do the comparisons between Hitler’s ideal Germany and Heaven, but a comparison can be made to the darkness of the opposites as well. Hitler was directly or indirectly responsible for the death of 40 million Europeans. He was also responsible for the brief re-establishment of power, pride, and prosperity of a German racial community of 85 million that would strive for salvation within the Catholic Church. We can easily see that Hitler hurt 40 million, but in his eyes it was the salvation of 85 million. Christ shows us that he too has this problem of hurting just as many as he loves when he says “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten..” (Revelations, 3:19). Hitler, through his Hitler Youth, would raise his children in his ways and beliefs, accepting those that met with his standards, expelling those unworthy of his empire. Christ raises his children through Christianity, in his ways and beliefs, accepting those who meet with his standards, expelling those considered unworthy of his kingdom. Death camps were Hitler’s Hell.

Many world-renowned leaders, including Mahatma Gandhi and Winston Churchill revered Hitler. The larger idea behind this is that the world is full of truths and realities that are another’s lies and fantasies. How much of this world is obviously one way? How much of the world do we condemn and discard because all we see is hidden in its darkness? How much of the world do we revere because all we see is shown in its light? What do we learn from closing our minds to the dynamics of the world and accepting the one sided views of ignorance? As the angle of on our life changes, so does the view.


i got to the bold part, and thats as far as i want to read...


for now :dunno
 

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If that was a H.S. paper, it was actually very good. I don't know how much you cut out, so it might have flowed a little better in its original form. There are some factual errors, but they are minor in comparison to the author’s main point.

The paper basically boils down to that timeless glass we've always heard of. Was it half full, or was it half empty?

I find myself with the masses when I say that Hitler and the National Socialists, particularly the SS, were responsible for acts of cruelty that transcend humanity. I have no moral issue with their forceful removal from our planet.

I am with a minority though, in that I stand in awe of what he was capable of, and the world vision he held. All of our advanced military knowledge, space travel, engines, road systems, organizational skills, modern medicine, etc... can be traced right back to 1930's-early 1940's Germany.

I personally feel it is unfortunate he cracked so badly. He could have lead the world in a brilliant fashion.
 

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Re: RE: Hitler's similarities to Christianity.

IntruderLS1 said:
If that was a H.S. paper, it was actually very good. I don't know how much you cut out, so it might have flowed a little better in its original form. There are some factual errors, but they are minor in comparison to the author’s main point.

The paper basically boils down to that timeless glass we've always heard of. Was it half full, or was it half empty?

I find myself with the masses when I say that Hitler and the National Socialists, particularly the SS, were responsible for acts of cruelty that transcend humanity. I have no moral issue with their forceful removal from our planet.

I am with a minority though, in that I stand in awe of what he was capable of, and the world vision he held. All of our advanced military knowledge, space travel, engines, road systems, organizational skills, modern medicine, etc... can be traced right back to 1930's-early 1940's Germany.

I personally feel it is unfortunate he cracked so badly. He could have lead the world in a brilliant fashion.

It was a jr english paper in hs.. Originally it was 15 pages, so i cut out quite a bit. I feel about the same way you do on the situation
 

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Hitler was baptized and raised as a catholic, where he then developed a hatred for those seen as unworthy of the creator. From the slums of inner city, he found himself appalled at the immigrant's disrespect for the fatherland and the law's authority. As he saw himself a man of German-Austrian heritage in the midst of the slums and poverty, looking at these immigrants, finding prosperity through their conniving, scandalous, and manipulative practices, he would crystallize his fanatic German nationalist and anti-Semite views. Hitler eventually came to blame Communism and Jewry for everything he disliked. The strong anti-Semitism against Jews was not uncommon at the time. Jews had been prosecuted since the fourth century. Martin Luther, a German monk in the sixteenth century who sparked the protestant reformation described Jews as demons, arch-criminals, and the enemies of Christianity. The Catholic Church enacted rules forbidding Christians to marry or have sexual relations with Jews, restricted their education, employment, legal rights, and housing rights, and enforcing them to wear badges that noted them as Jews. It is these views that gave Hitler the inclination to carry out his plans. Hitler saw the German people as a higher race, whose land had been infested with people who disgraced their home and their creator. Hitler’s goal was to restore pride, power, and faith in the German people. He wanted to build an empire that would hold high on their morals and virtues; a master race, perfect in physical, mental, and moral arenas. His followers were not evil Germans as we think of them, rather they were moms and dads, relatives and neighbors. They were the proud people of German-Austria, and in support of their country just as Americans were proud in support of their country though they knew of Japanese relocation camps in WWII.

Hitler’s plans for new order were fueled by one main goal; he wanted to gain enough land for his master race. This required the removal of any people that were considered to be undesirable. He also wanted to rid Germany and its conquered lands of communism. It would be in these two points that Hitler got carried away; had he sought a more acceptable method of gaining enough space for his superior race; he would have been adored for it. In order to purify the German lands for his master race, he needed to expel the “contaminants”.

Though Hitler strayed from his original plans and never saw his visions become reality, his ideal Germany, would have several similarities with Christianities Heaven. By seeing pictures of the Hitler youth performing their synchronized stretching and exercises as they prepare for a game of soccer, one could stumble upon a comparison that had previously barely crossed the mind. Everyone was dress in clean, white shirts, with similar body size and, with few exceptions, was topped of with blonde hair. If we were to exchange their white shirts for white robes, and we threw in some puffy white clouds, a couple of harps and a golden gate, we would have a rather generic conception of Christianity’s Heaven. Just as heaven, Hitler’s land was a place where the people would live for the ruler, free of impurities, but these area are not open to just anybody; a person must meet certain standards to live there. Hitler would set the standards and chose his disciples, not only by their heritage to ensure purification, but also by their morally just and virtuous qualities in an attempt to be closer to their Creator. Christ chooses those who are to live with his father and him by their morals and faith; still, his selection is with the same attempt to be closer to god. With just these few points, it’s easy to let the comparisons between apparent opposites unravel.

Not only do the comparisons between Hitler’s ideal Germany and Heaven, but a comparison can be made to the darkness of the opposites as well. Hitler was directly or indirectly responsible for the death of 40 million Europeans. He was also responsible for the brief re-establishment of power, pride, and prosperity of a German racial community of 85 million that would strive for salvation within the Catholic Church. We can easily see that Hitler hurt 40 million, but in his eyes it was the salvation of 85 million. Christ shows us that he too has this problem of hurting just as many as he loves when he says “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten..” (Revelations, 3:19). Hitler, through his Hitler Youth, would raise his children in his ways and beliefs, accepting those that met with his standards, expelling those unworthy of his empire. Christ raises his children through Christianity, in his ways and beliefs, accepting those who meet with his standards, expelling those considered unworthy of his kingdom. Death camps were Hitler’s Hell.

Many world-renowned leaders, including Mahatma Gandhi and Winston Churchill revered Hitler. The larger idea behind this is that the world is full of truths and realities that are another’s lies and fantasies. How much of this world is obviously one way? How much of the world do we condemn and discard because all we see is hidden in its darkness? How much of the world do we revere because all we see is shown in its light? What do we learn from closing our minds to the dynamics of the world and accepting the one sided views of ignorance? As the angle of on our life changes, so does the view.

America was in the wrong not only with isolation of japanese-american families, but also with the trail of tears movement in expelling cherokees and creeks from GA and TN to OK territory.

Also, the ideology of creating a "heaven on earth" is quite farfetched. i am actually being optimistic when stating this, if you can hear me out on the next example. as one can study from hitler's practices (along with otehr totalitaristic dictators of history), the forced removal, oppression, alteration, or obliteration of a race, society, or any group is a failed success. even if hitler could sustain a heaven on earth empire, war would eventually break out and disband his society. isolating yourself from the "contaminants" of society will only lead to more problems. an integrated and accepting society is the perfect one, not an isolated heaven on earth. as pessimistic as this may sound, it is true and has been proven true. one of the first societies to have a successful integrated society was the roman empire. although they had greeks, jews, and blacks as slaves, everyone worked together as a unit to propel technological, mathematical, and sociological improvements.

great paper by the way man. definitely an A+, you have a lot of good research and allusions with facts to back them up. great job
 

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I liked it. I think people are brought up to think that Hitler was just an evil killer who hated Jews and wanted them dead. Sure, I don't agree with him, but America is full of its own racism, such as the Japanese camps during WWII, the eviction of most Native Americans, and today, Muslim and Arab people who are of the same nationality or religion as a large number of terrorists. We need to at least know both sides to a conflict and respect both sides, even f we fully believe in only one.
 

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Oh I'm sure Mr. Hitler had good intentions.

Hilter was a smart guy, no question about it. And some of his philosphies are pretty dang insightful. But, actions speak louder than words.

I'm not a jew, and I still can't get over the attempted genocide of an entire race of people. Calculated extermination of millions of innocent people... Yes, there are evils everywhere in the world and even the US. No one (as a culture) is perfect. But there aren't too many instances of intentional extermination of another culture, not in the modern era.

One can draw parrallels between all sorts of things. I'm fairly certain that there hasn't been a sect of christianity that wished to see an entire race of people destroyed.
 

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Hitler was a racist and a bigot so any vision he had for a perfect society would follow suit... Regarding Hitler and Christianity having similarities, he displayed the worst of religion, (I would not limit it to Christianity), primarily narrow focus, strict dogma, reliance on faith over logic, intolerance, and in Hitler's case twisted reasoning and misplaced blame and oh, I all most forgot mass murder. He is one of the best examples of how humans can delude themselves about the ills of society and become a monster in the process.

Hitler has nothing in common with the highest ideals set forth by Christianity regarding treatment of your fellow man/woman.
 

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As noted previously, I can see similiarites to other religions too. But christianity always seems to get the headline.
 

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Since when do christians condone putting people in concentration camps and commiting genocide for people having theyre own beliefs?
 

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hitler was stupid in reality.......he wanted to wage war yet how many millions of fighting men did he put to death
 

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hitler was stupid in reality.......he wanted to wage war yet how many millions of fighting men did he put to death

I wouldn't call him stupid.

He was in a lot of peoples eyes, and mine, a tactical, political and economical genius.
 

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but tactically he all but ran out of fighting men.......he possibly put 2 million to death in the camps...not too clever
 

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His tactical mistakes were regarding the Russians, Japenese and Italians.

Turning on the Russians was a mistake
While the Japanese were able they were a loose cannon, and pissed off America something bad
and... well the Italians... Nuff said

But it must be remembered that the Axis were at a disadvantage fiscally and technologically.
 

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Hitler was a racist and a bigot so any vision he had for a perfect society would follow suit... Regarding Hitler and Christianity having similarities, he displayed the worst of religion, (I would not limit it to Christianity), primarily narrow focus, strict dogma, reliance on faith over logic, intolerance, and in Hitler's case twisted reasoning and misplaced blame and oh, I all most forgot mass murder. He is one of the best examples of how humans can delude themselves about the ills of society and become a monster in the process.

Hitler has nothing in common with the highest ideals set forth by Christianity regarding treatment of your fellow man/woman.
Minor, I must say that this is one of your finer efforts. Well said and well done. :clap
 
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