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Accused Madrid bomb mastermind acquitted - Yahoo! News

MADRID, Spain - Three lead defendants in the 2004 Madrid train bombings were found guilty of mass murder and other charges Wednesday but four other top suspects were convicted on lesser charges and an accused ringleader was completely acquitted.
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The verdicts were a partial victory for prosecutors, with 21 of the 28 people on trial convicted on at least some charges. Seven got off entirely, including an Egyptian who prosecutors said had bragged that he masterminded the March 11, 2004 blasts, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800.
The three lead suspects convicted of murder and attempted murder each received sentences ranging from 34,000 to 43,000 years in prison, although under Spanish law the most time they can spend in jail is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment.
The three are: Jamal Zougam, a Moroccan convicted of placing at least one bomb on one of the trains; Emilio Suarez Trashorras, a Spaniard who is a former miner found guilty of supplying the explosives used in the attacks; and Othman Gnaoui, a Moroccan accused of being a right-hand man of the plot's operational chief.
Top suspects Youssef Belhadj, Hassan el Haski, Abdulmajid Bouchar and Rafa Zouhier were acquitted of murder but convicted of lesser charges including belonging to a terrorist organization. They received sentences of between 10 and 18 years.
Fourteen other people were found guilty of lesser charges like belonging to a terrorist group.
Accused mastermind Rabei Osman, who is in jail in Italy, had allegedly bragged in a wiretapped phone conversation that the massacre was his idea. But his defense attorneys argued successfully that the tapes were mistranslated.
Six lesser suspects were acquitted on all charges in addition to Osman.
Much of the evidence against the men was circumstantial. Bouchar, for instance, had been seen on one of the bombed trains shortly before the attack, but at trial nobody could definitively identify him.
Circumstantial evidence is admissable in Spanish court but the judges may have avoided relaying heavily upon it because of a number of high-profile terror cases that were overturned on appeal, including one involving a Spanish cell accused of involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Judge Javier Gomez Bermudez read out the verdicts in a hushed courtroom, with heavy security, including bomb-sniffing dogs and police helicopters, outside.
Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who came to power after the attacks, welcomed the verdicts. "Justice was rendered today," he said.
"The barbarism perpetrated on March 11, 2004, has left a deep imprint of pain on our collective memory, an imprint that stays with us as a homage to the victims," said Zapatero.
Most of the suspects are young Muslim men of North African origin who allegedly acted out of allegiance to al-Qaida to avenge the presence of Spanish troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, although Spanish investigators say they did so without a direct order or financing from Osama bin Laden's terror network.
Bermudez said the probe had turned up no evidence of involvement by the armed Basque separatist group ETA, dismissing the initial argument of the conservative pro-U.S. government in power at the time of the attacks. The theory is still embraced by many Spaniards.
The day of carnage is etched in Spain's collective memory and became widely known as simply 11-M, much as the term 9-11 conjures up so much pain for Americans.
The sentences of thousands of years for lead suspects are largely symbolic because the maximum jail time for a terrorism conviction in Spain is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment.

Seven suspected ringleaders of the attacks — including the operational chief and an ideologue — blew themselves up in a safe house outside Madrid three weeks after the massacre as special forces who tracked them via cell phone traffic moved in to arrest them.
The attacks had profound political repercussions and left Spaniards deeply and bitterly divided between supporters of conservatives in power at the time of the massacre and Socialists who accused the government of making Spain a target for al-Qaida by supporting the Iraq war and sending in 1,300 peacekeepers.
The government of then-Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar initially blamed Basque separatists for the bombings, even as evidence of Islamic involvement emerged. This led to charges of a cover-up to deflect attention away from the government's support for the war, and in elections three days after the bombings the conservatives lost to the opposition Socialists, who quickly brought the Spanish troops home.

This part caught my eye:

"under Spanish law the most time they can spend in jail is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment."

Are they serious?
 
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I was in Madrid at that very place a little over 2 weeks before it happened...I was finishing up my last deployment and we pulled into Spain for our last port...a few buddies and I wanted to get away from the rest of the sailors so we went to Madrid...had a great time there and then a few weeks later they were attacked right in the area where we were...
 

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Accused Madrid bomb mastermind acquitted - Yahoo! News



This part caught my eye:

"under Spanish law the most time they can spend in jail is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment."

Are they serious?
Yes they are serious. No matter how much time they sentence you to, that's the max.
I am very happy about how things were handeled though and I couldn't be more convinced that this is the only right way to fight terrorism.
 

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Yes they are serious. No matter how much time they sentence you to, that's the max.
I am very happy about how things were handeled though and I couldn't be more convinced that this is the only right way to fight terrorism.
I agree that putting them on trial is a good thing. But what's the point if you can't keep them there for life? Are these fanatics really going to change in prison?
 

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Well if one wants to kill millions and still live to see the outside of a jail cell one day, they know who to attack - Spain.

Of course that is an over exaggerated statement, but it gets my point across.

I don't live in Spain, so I don't have to be concerned with it.

But say a terrorist is released after 40 years then manages to make it over to the States, plot and carry out a terrorist attack that kills thousands of people. I wonder if we can then press charges against Spain should something like that happen since their laws would be paritally liable for the attack taking place.

I know it may seem difficult for some to believe, but of all the evils done in the world by the evil minds of men it is not difficult for me to fathom.

In my opinion - Spain's law of no death penalty or life imprisonment for terrorist is globally irresponsible.
 

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ok I forgot you know everything....why don't you show me where
"Weird, no nation has been attacked by terrorists that aren't involved in the middle east. Interesting."

Most European countries, Including Germany, have been involed in the middle east since the 40's and 50's.
 

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Madrid bombers get 40,000 years in prison


By Richard Holt
Last Updated: 2:32am GMT 01/11/2007


A Spanish court has convicted three of the eight men accused of playing a central role in the 2004 Madrid train bombings and sentenced each of them to almost 40,000 years in prison.
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Jamal Zougam, a Moroccan was found guilty of placing bombs aboard one of the four targeted trains, Othman El-Gnaoui, also Moroccan, was found guilty of transporting the explosives and Jose Emilio Suarez Trashorras, a Spaniard, was found guilty of supplying them.
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The 2004 bombings killed 191 people

Despite the sentences, under Spanish law nobody can stay in prison for more than 40 years.
The judge read out verdicts for a total of 28 suspects at the end of a politically charged trial into Europe's deadliest al-Qa'eda inspired attack.
Of the total number of accused 21 were found guilty and seven were found innocent.
In a surprise move however the anti-terrorist court acquitted Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, also known as "Mohammed the Egyptian", who prosecutors said had organised the attacks.
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Ten bombs packed into sports bags ripped through four commuter trains early on March 11, 2004, killing 191 people and injuring more than 1,800.

The bombings also reshaped Spanish politics as voters spurned a conservative government that at first blamed the Islamist attack on Basque separatists ETA.
Twenty-nine people, mostly Moroccans and Spaniards, were tried over four months for crimes ranging from masterminding the attack to stealing explosives from a mine and selling them on in exchange for drugs. One has since been acquitted.
After a four month break to consider the evidence, Judge Javier Gomez Bermudez called the court to hear his summing up of the trial.
Early today, the suspects were driven to the court room on the outskirts of Madrid under high security as helicopters buzzed overhead and scores of policemen stood guard.
All the suspects pleaded innocent and those found guilty are expected to appeal against their sentences.
The verdicts close another chapter on the bombings but with a general election less than five months away, they could embarrass the opposition centre-right Popular Party, which initially blamed ETA for the attack.
The blasts hit three days before the last elections, which the then Popular Party government had looked set to win, despite having led the country into the highly unpopular war in Iraq.
But the conservative government's insistence that Basque separatists planted the bombs backfired when evidence piled up to show they were the work of radical Islamists.
Days later, voters turned out en masse and brought in the Socialists, who quickly pulled Spanish troops out of Iraq.
 
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