Health Care - Private or Govt. Run

[GraceAbounds]

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Your thoughts?

Personally I don't think it is right for 1/3 of our nation to be without health insurance. However I do not want a system like Canada's (see video if you haven't already)

So what is the answer? What about affordable state sponsored health insurance for middle class and under families?

 

[Reaver]

private only. then competitive edge would drive down the prices, rather than keep increasing them. all i know is that our health care system needs to change, quickly

 

[Homer]

i in no way want to go the same as Canada i've herd some bad things about health care up there.

 

[All Else Failed]

I'm in favor for socialized health insurance, but its execution needs to be redesigned. Every person deserves it.

 

[NightWarrior]

Canada is the worst and England is right behind them. Good old Democrats wanting everyone to be dependent on the government so they can guarantee re-election. I don't have a solution so I won't say much about it. I don't think its fair that the richest nation in the world can't help those in need, but there are so many that it could break the bank. Its a lose-lose situation. I don't want to pay 50% of my salary to taxes to fund this kind of stuff when I have employer sponsored health care. Just not fair to me, IMHO.

 

[Homer]

because they're to busy helping everyone else.

 

[All Else Failed]

Canada is the worst and England is right behind them. Good old Democrats wanting everyone to be dependent on the government so they can guarantee re-election. I don't have a solution so I won't say much about it. I don't think its fair that the richest nation in the world can't help those in need, but there are so many that it could break the bank. Its a lose-lose situation. I don't want to pay 50% of my salary to taxes to fund this kind of stuff when I have employer sponsored health care. Just not fair to me, IMHO.

A lot of what you pay in medical taxes goes to line the pockets of FDA and major drug corps to keep their wallets lined. What we need to do is decentralize health care in order for conglomerates to not be a part of the equation anymore.

 

[JuJu]

It's a good time for Americans to watch Massachusetts:

BOSTON, April 4 -- The Massachusetts legislature approved a bill Tuesday that would require all residents to purchase health insurance or face legal penalties, which would make this the first state to tackle the problem of incomplete medical coverage by treating patients the same way it does cars.
Gov. Mitt Romney (R) supports the proposal, which would require all uninsured adults in the state to purchase some kind of insurance policy by July 1, 2007, or face a fine. Their choices would be expanded to include a range of new and inexpensive policies -- ranging from about $250 per month to nearly free -- from private insurers subsidized by the state.
More at:
Mass. Bill Requires Health Coverage - washingtonpost.com

This in NO WAY reflects any support of Mitt Romney by me.

 

[Homer]

and they keep voting Kennedy back in office lol .

 

[GraceAbounds]

So everyone is for socialized health insurance being made available, but still having the choice of buying health insurance through the private sector?

 

[NightWarrior]

So everyone is for socialized health insurance being made available, but still having the choice of buying health insurance through the private sector?

Here is my proposal. Keep insurance privatized but force the companies like Blue Cross, for example, to offer lower cost insurance based on amount of money earned per year. We don't need the government managing health care. We already know how inefficient and non-effective they are at managing things.

 

[JuJu]

Here is my proposal. Keep insurance privatized but force the companies like Blue Cross, for example, to offer lower cost insurance based on amount of money earned per year. We don't need the government managing health care. We already know how inefficient and non-effective they are at managing things.

Oh, you want the Amercican government to tell insurance companies they can't bleed the American people, wouldn't that be contrary to the American way?

 

[NightWarrior]

Oh, you want the Amercican government to tell insurance companies they can't bleed the American people, wouldn't that be contrary to the American way?

They already do this with auto insurance. Why should it be any different with medical insurance? They tell the insurance companies the amount they can charge for basic insurance. Of course this is at the state level, but medical insurance could be federally limited.

I certainly don't want the American government taking 50% of my hard earned money to pay for un-insured citizens or whatever stupid ass program they think up next. I'm tired of paying for everyone else. No, make that sick and tired. I am punished for going to college and making a decent amount of money, I shouldn't have to fund this crap.

 

[JuJu]

They already do this with auto insurance. Why should it be any different with medical insurance? They tell the insurance companies the amount they can charge for basic insurance. Of course this is at the state level, but medical insurance could be federally limited.

I certainly don't want the American government taking 50% of my hard earned money to pay for un-insured citizens or whatever stupid ass program they think up next. I'm tired of paying for everyone else. No, make that sick and tired. I am punished for going to college and making a decent amount of money, I shouldn't have to fund this crap.

LOL, I'm with ya on that one!
You're gonna fund that crap anyway. I don't know if you own property, but I was just talkin' to a friend who said her property tax went up which caused her house payment to go up and it's all due to the funding of that 'crap' like schools and hospitals which is paid for by all of us for the benefit of a few. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind payin' for the education of others especially young kids who really need it, but that's how I feel about kids in general, give 'em the medical care they need too, regardless whether their parents can pay for it or not.

New Research Finds One in Three Uninsured Children Had No Medical Care for an Entire Year


Aug 2, 2005 - Washington, D.C.
State-by-state analysis shows extent of problem. Seven out of 10 uninsured kids eligible for public programs are not enrolled. Surgeon General, D.C. mayor, soccer stars and gospel, salsa and hip-hop artists encourage parents to find out if their kids qualify for low-cost or free health care coverage


One-third (32.9 percent) of uninsured children in America went without medical care for an entire year, a new report shows. Conversely, nearly 88 percent of their insured counterparts received care during the same period.
Even uninsured kids who received medical care did not always see a doctor when they needed one. Uninsured children were 10 times more likely not to receive the medical care they needed, compared to children who have insurance (6.2 percent versus 0.65 percent).
These and other findings of Going Without: America's Uninsured Children were released today by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) during a kick-off event for the Covering Kids & Families Back-to-School Campaign, a nationwide effort to enroll eligible children in public coverage programs during the back-to-school season. Parents of uninsured children can call toll-free 1(877) KIDS-NOW to find out if their children are eligible for low-cost or free health care coverage.
"Everyone in America needs access to affordable health coverage, but when the health of a child is at stake, the need is all the more urgent. That is why political leaders, musical artists and athletes are coming together to encourage enrollment in available programs," said Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, M.D., M.B.A., president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. "Back-to-school season is an ideal time to make sure that children have the health coverage they need, because it's easier to do well in school when you feel well. No child in America should have to go without a doctor's visit or skip needed care, and no parent should have to make that decision. Low-cost of free coverage is available for seven out of 10 uninsured children."

RWJF News Release: New Research Finds One in Three Uninsured Children Had No Medical Care for an Entire Year

 

[GraceAbounds]

I don't think it is ok for people to be lazy.

But I am not of the same belief that I don't want to pay for others. We are blessed to be a blessing to others. It makes me happy for my money to help other people, because I know that it is for the better of the society that I and everyone else lives in.

None of us are ever going to agree fully with the way our money is managed due to corruption and greed that is always going to sneak into the mix, but that should not stop us from pushing forwards and trying to do the right thing by each other.

 

[JuJu]

I don't think it is ok for people to be lazy.

But I am not of the same belief that I don't want to pay for others. We are blessed to be a blessing to others. It makes me happy for my money to help other people, because I know that it is for the better of the society that I and everyone else lives in.

None of us are ever going to agree fully with the way our money is managed due to corruption and greed that is always going to sneak into the mix, but that should not stop us from pushing forwards and trying to do the right thing by each other.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

I'm sure we can all agree that children should not be punished or deprived because of the actions of their parents. Medical care and insurance are hot topics and most of it is due to the corruption and greed of corporations which is directed by CEOs lookin' out for stockholders' profits. Maybe the profits of insurance companies should be monitored as Mr Venom suggested, however then it upsets those folks who are out to make money at all costs to society. Greed is a nasty thang!

 

[NightWarrior]

I don't think it is ok for people to be lazy.

But I am not of the same belief that I don't want to pay for others. We are blessed to be a blessing to others. It makes me happy for my money to help other people, because I know that it is for the better of the society that I and everyone else lives in.

None of us are ever going to agree fully with the way our money is managed due to corruption and greed that is always going to sneak into the mix, but that should not stop us from pushing forwards and trying to do the right thing by each other.

Thats ok. You must be Democrat then? Since this is a free society we supposedly live in, I should be able to choose where my money goes, after all, I made it. I refuse to agree to any national healthcare plan, its rediculous and arrogant of the Democrats to think that this is even possible in this country. Our healthcare system will go down the tubes if becomes this way. I like my healthcare plan I have now. That would no doubt change if this plan passes thru congress.

 

[NightWarrior]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

I'm sure we can all agree that children should not be punished or deprived because of the actions of their parents. Medical care and insurance are hot topics and most of it is due to the corruption and greed of corporations which is directed by CEOs lookin' out for stockholders' profits. Maybe the profits of insurance companies should be monitored as Mr Venom suggested, however then it upsets those folks who are out to make money at all costs to society. Greed is a nasty thang!

Just to clarify, I didn't say monitor their profits, I said, they should only be allowed to charge a certain rate for insurance based on income level. I think this is a reasonable idea. I think the insurance companies would even stand to make more money since now they would be making money they probably wouldn't have.

 

[GraceAbounds]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

I'm sure we can all agree that children should not be punished or deprived because of the actions of their parents. Medical care and insurance are hot topics and most of it is due to the corruption and greed of corporations which is directed by CEOs lookin' out for stockholders' profits. Maybe the profits of insurance companies should be monitored as Mr Venom suggested, however then it upsets those folks who are out to make money at all costs to society. Greed is a nasty thang!

I agree.

 

[GraceAbounds]

You must be Democrat then?

No I'm not why? Is this an off-handed attempt at an insult? What does my political affiliation have to do with this conversation or me having a right to my opinion? None.

Since this is a free society we supposedly live in, I should be able to choose where my money goes, after all, I made it.

That's right you do. And I disagree with your outlook regarding helping others that you stated in previous posts in this thread.

I refuse to agree to any national healthcare plan

I agree. I'm not for any national healthcare plan either (socialized medicene). But I am for national subsidized health insurance so that all folks can have health insurance.