God has all attributes including evil iniquity.

[Greatest I am]

God has all attributes including evil iniquity.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ephesians 3:8-10 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan. The above quote seems to show iniquity as capable of negating perfection yet scriptures show that perfection is never ending. If it could end, then even God’s perfection would be at risk and this condition is one that God would never create.

All concepts were created for God’s pleasure.

What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

Regards
DL

 

[MrHeinz]

Your belief is based on lies. I don't see anywhere in those scriptures where it says God created iniquity. It only says iniquity was found. You see God created humans to be able to make choices by their own free will. Without "iniquity" where is the choice? The pleasure that God gets is from those humans who choose to love and trust in Him. These humans don't choose iniquity.

 

[savvy]

This verse is a good one too: Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

and this one also: Jeremiah 23:16 They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

If you are taking the deceptive leap from iniquity being found to being created by God then what you are saying is a lie.

 

[Greatest I am]

Your belief is based on lies. I don't see anywhere in those scriptures where it says God created iniquity. It only says iniquity was found. You see God created humans to be able to make choices by their own free will. Without "iniquity" where is the choice? The pleasure that God gets is from those humans who choose to love and trust in Him. These humans don't choose iniquity.

Is iniquity not included in where scriptures say God created all things?
Note the word all. Does it not mean all?

If not, then who is God's co-creator?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

This verse is a good one too: Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

and this one also: Jeremiah 23:16 They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

If you are taking the deceptive leap from iniquity being found to being created by God then what you are saying is a lie.

More info please.
Is iniquity not included in where scriptures say God created all things?
Note the word all. Does it not mean all?
If not, then who is God's co-creator?

As to prophets. If they lie, it is because of God who is also culpable of lying and thus a sinner himself.
Right?

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

God is either culpable for those lies directly or even indirectly as he has given Satan the power to deceive the whole world by God himself.

God cannot run from his guilt.

Regards
DL

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

 

[MrHeinz]

How do you know iniquity(evil) is a created thing? It could be a condition known as the absence of good. But even if it is a creation how are humans to make a choice between good and evil if evil didn't exist?

 

[BornReady]

All concepts were created for God’s pleasure. What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

The bible was written by many people. The authors did not always agree with each other. This leads to some discrepancies. For example, here is how Paul speaks of Rome in Romans 13:1-4:

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established ... For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good.

Yet Revelations 17:5-6 has a completely different view of Rome:

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the Great, The Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the Earth. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

Why such a contrast? Well, Revelations was written by a different man some 40 years after Romans. Things had changed.

Basically, we can't read the bible as a single book. It is multiple books written by many men. We are not going to get a single consistent view when reading it. Trying to harmonize different viewpoints only results in a bastardized view which no one believed.

 

[savvy]

The bible was written by many people. The authors did not always agree with each other. This leads to some discrepancies. For example, here is how Paul speaks of Rome in Romans 13:1-4:



Yet Revelations 17:5-6 has a completely different view of Rome:



Why such a contrast? Well, Revelations was written by a different man some 40 years after Romans. Things had changed.

Basically, we can't read the bible as a single book. It is multiple books written by many men. We are not going to get a single consistent view when reading it. Trying to harmonize different viewpoints only results in a bastardized view which no one believed.

Are you claiming that it wasn't possible for Rome to change in 40 years so it is proof of inconsistencies in the bible? That claim is almost as idiotic as this thread, almost that is.

 

[af12]

It is really naive to think a society can't change over 40 years. As you can see it can lead to some silly assumptions.

 

[Greatest I am]

How do you know iniquity(evil) is a created thing? It could be a condition known as the absence of good. But even if it is a creation how are humans to make a choice between good and evil if evil didn't exist?

Absence of good. I never saw such a thing or concept.
Do you have an example for us?

How do we know it is a created thing?


Your bible of course.

Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Basically, we can't read the bible as a single book. It is multiple books written by many men. We are not going to get a single consistent view when reading it. Trying to harmonize different viewpoints only results in a bastardized view which no one believed.

Proof being in all the various cults that use the bible as a base.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Are you claiming that it wasn't possible for Rome to change in 40 years so it is proof of inconsistencies in the bible? That claim is almost as idiotic as this thread, almost that is.

No inconsistencies in the bible! How droll.
If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple." John 3:15

Oh wait. It is out of context.
Oh wait, I just do not understand it.
Oh wait------------------------

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

It is really naive to think a society can't change over 40 years. As you can see it can lead to some silly assumptions.

What in man's general character do you see that has changed in the last 3,000 years?

I do not see any.

Sure, we have increased in knowledge and sciences and how we do things but regardless of that, we are still doing the same things and thinking the same way.

Regards
DL

 

[savvy]

How do you know iniquity(evil) is a created thing? It could be a condition known as the absence of good. But even if it is a creation how are humans to make a choice between good and evil if evil didn't exist?

Exactly. Just like many things in the universe. Some people only look for excuses to cover up the lies they believe.

 

[savvy]

It is really naive to think a society can't change over 40 years. As you can see it can lead to some silly assumptions.

That's a no brainer. A person would have to be really naive to think all societies stay the same.

 

[Stone]

God has all attributes including evil iniquity.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ephesians 3:8-10 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan. The above quote seems to show iniquity as capable of negating perfection yet scriptures show that perfection is never ending. If it could end, then even God’s perfection would be at risk and this condition is one that God would never create.

All concepts were created for God’s pleasure.

What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

Regards
DL

iniquity: Absence of moral or spiritual values

Your post seems as much circular logic as the fundamentalist that claims the Bible is the inerrant word of God.

Your argument that God has no spiritual values is based upon the Bible being His inerrant Word and that He exists.

I've been noticing threads by you of an anti-God nature.
Is it because you don't believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God or don't believe God exists?

God created the attribute of iniquity and placed that capability in Satan. The above quote seems to show iniquity as capable of negating perfection yet scriptures show that perfection is never ending.

If you believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

All concepts were created for God’s pleasure.

What pleasure do you think God gets from iniquity?

I suspect God has a sense of humor and is laughing his ass off at your sophistry

( well....we can only hope )

 

[Greatest I am]

Inerrant.

You're joking. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[savvy]

You have to realize the Gnostic version of the bible is pretty wacky. That is why it didn't catch on. I don't think it will be very popular today if people find out how it portrays women as not being fit to live and has a bizarro Jesus.

 

[Greatest I am]

You have to realize the Gnostic version of the bible is pretty wacky. That is why it didn't catch on. I don't think it will be very popular today if people find out how it portrays women as not being fit to live and has a bizarro Jesus.

Yet the Gnostic scriptures give Mary more of a privileged position than the others apostles.

If you ever understand the Gnostics and Jews interpretations, you will see that they beat the Christian interpretations rather nicely.


Take Eden for instance.
Who gives women equality and who says that they must kowtow to men?

Christians say women must kowtow. Jews and Gnostics do not.

Regards
DL

 

[Big Al1]

There is no comparison between gnostics and the Jewish faith.