Gitmo 9/11 suspects heading to NY trial

[dt3]

Holder: Gitmo 9/11 suspects heading to NY trial - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York for trial in a civilian federal court and prosecutors expect to seek the death penalty, Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday.
At a news conference, the attorney general said five other suspects, including a major suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, will be tried before a military commission.
Holder said the detainees in the New York case will be tried in a courthouse just blocks from where the Sept. 11 attackers felled the twin towers. Bringing such notorious suspects to U.S. soil to face trial is a key step in President Barack Obama's plan to close the terror suspect detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Obama initially planned to close the detention center by Jan. 22, but the administration is no longer expected to meet that deadline.
"For over 200 years our nation has relied upon a faithful adherence to the rule of law," Holder told a news conference at the Justice Department. "Once again, we will ask our legal system in two venues to answer that call."
The plan that Holder outlined Friday is a major legal and political test of Obama's overall approach to terrorism. If the case suffers legal setbacks, the administration will face second-guessing from those who never wanted it in a civilian courtroom. And if lawmakers get upset about terrorists being brought to their home regions, they may fight back against other parts of Obama's agenda.
"This is definitely a seismic shift in how we're approaching the war on al-Qaida," said Glenn Sulmasy, a law professor at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy who has written a book on national security justice. "It's certainly surprising that the five masterminds, if you will, of the attacks on the United States will be tried in traditional, open federal courts."
The New York case may force the court system to confront a host of difficult legal issues surrounding counterterrorism programs begun after the 2001 attacks, including the harsh interrogation techniques once used on some of the suspects while in CIA custody. The most severe method — waterboarding, or simulated drowning — was used on Mohammed 183 times in 2003, before the practice was banned.

So, besides the obvious stupidity here....do they really expect to find an impartial jury in NYC?????

 

[kelvin070]

Other countries outside USA are debating the conspiracy theory.

 

[Accountable]

Holder: Gitmo 9/11 suspects heading to NY trial - Yahoo! News




So, besides the obvious stupidity here....do they really expect to find an impartial jury in NYC?????

I don't see a single positive here, except the political signal that we're so fucking fair-minded we will treat an enemy at war with us just as if he's a citizen - part of the family. Any bets that the guy will get acquitted because all the evidence gets supressed? Afer all, he wasn't mirandized or anything. :surrender

 

[Alien Allen]

Other countries outside USA are debating the conspiracy theory.

Ah yes the conspiracy asshats. Give them their props. They prove loons are still alive and well. Admit it you are one of them who can not think for themselves and believe Bush probably planned it

 

[kelvin070]

Ah yes the conspiracy asshats. Give them their props. They prove loons are still alive and well. Admit it you are one of them who can not think for themselves and believe Bush probably planned it

Well I don't really know but experts in USA are baffled by the collapse of the towers.

 

[Tangerine]

Well I don't really know but experts in USA are baffled by the collapse of the towers.

Funny, I've seen literally dozens of ducumentaries with experts in structural engineering who are not surprised at all, given how exploding airplanes literally sliced the buildings in half, removing it's center support structure, and allowing a single level to collapse creating an unimaginably heavy "pancake" effect.

 

[kelvin070]

Funny, I've seen literally dozens of ducumentaries with experts in structural engineering who are not surprised at all, given how exploding airplanes literally sliced the buildings in half, removing it's center support structure, and allowing a single level to collapse creating an unimaginably heavy "pancake" effect.

Looks more like a domino effect.

 

[Alien Allen]

Well I don't really know but experts in USA are baffled by the collapse of the towers.

The only ones baffled are the morons who believe Bush did it to justify going into Iraq. I guess they forgot the fact that millions of people witnessed on live TV the 2nd plane going into the 2nd tower. Along with all the eyewitness accounts of the first plane going into the other tower.

There have been plenty of scientists who debunked the conspiracy bullshit. You just don't want to believe them.

Consumer Reports did a good analysis as I recall. Something the laymen kooks who believe the buildings were detonated might even find on a simplistic enough level to comprehend if they take off blinders.

 

[kelvin070]

OK fair enough. 3000 dead but Bush killed a few 100,000 civilians and went on a wild goose chase for Osama. Afghanistan is the 5th poorest country in the world and USA the richest. Eight years on and still struggling? Get all the chickens back to USA to roost.

 

[Accountable]

Good job derailing the thread, kelvin.

Who thinks this jackoff should be tried as a criminal in civilian court??

 

[nova]

Well I don't really know but experts in USA are baffled by the collapse of the towers.

Uhh, no they're not. Having a degree in engineering myself, I can tell you, it was a classic progressive failure of a structure. I've got textbooks that describe that very phenomenon for all sorts of structures from buildings to airplane wings...

I'm all for trying the SOBs, but it sure doesn't need to be done anywhere in CONUS.

Course, even if they do happen to get off, I give them at best a week to live once they get outside the US.

 

[Accountable]

One "legal expert" I heard on the radio was of the opinion that an execution would be more harmful than life in prison. I don't think one more martyr would make any difference at this point. Plus, this guy isn't some garden-variety nutcase with a gun. This is a war criminal.

 

[Alien Allen]

Let em escape and then have somebody fry their ass limb by limb. I would not give them the satisfaction of being are martyr for their nutbag followers. Nor would I want the constant reminder and cost of them being jailed for life.

Maybe take them for a tour of NYC. Take them up to "Top of the Rock" then push them off and let them try to fly

 

[Ryder]

My only question is why procute them in New York and not Washington. Maybe they want to like guilt them with what happened in 2001? Because every person on that Jury will probably say guilty. I'm listening to a News podcast and they're talking about this.

 

[Tangerine]

My only question is why procute them in New York and not Washington. Maybe they want to like guilt them with what happened in 2001? Because every person on that Jury will probably say guilty. I'm listening to a News podcast and they're talking about this.

Washington got hit too on 9/11.

I doubt there's anywhere in this country where a jury pool would be less passionate. Except maybe like somewhere in Ted Kennedy country in rural Mass.

 

[JosephGabriel]

When an impartial Jury is impossible....what should be the consequence?! If you are entitled to be judged by 12 unbiased peers and cannot be convicted in the absence of such..... how can they be convicted?! Tricky philosophical question there!

 

[kelvin070]

Good job derailing the thread, kelvin.

Who thinks this jackoff should be tried as a criminal in civilian court??

Ok, no more derailing. The trial of the accused in a civilian court is a risky move. The court will bar evidence obtained under duress. He was waterboarded 183 times. His lawyers will certainly try to have charges thrown out based on the rough treatment. He wants to plead guilty anyway so that he can be executed to achieve martyrdom. The trial in New York gives him all the rights of an American citizen, which he isn't.

 

[Accountable]

When an impartial Jury is impossible....what should be the consequence?! If you are entitled to be judged by 12 unbiased peers and cannot be convicted in the absence of such..... how can they be convicted?! Tricky philosophical question there!

True ... If he were entitled to such treatment. He's not. He is a war criminal. He should face a military tribunal and face a firing squad if convicted.

 

[Accountable]

Ok, no more derailing. The trial of the accused in a civilian court is a risky move. The court will bar evidence obtained under duress. He was waterboarded 183 times. His lawyers will certainly try to have charges thrown out based on the rough treatment. He wants to plead guilty anyway so that he can be executed to achieve martyrdom. The trial in New York gives him all the rights of an American citizen, which he isn't.

Very well put, and exactly the way I see it.

 

[retro]

Exactly, he isn't a US Citizen, and doesn't deserve due process or anything else of the sort. Those are rights reserved for citizens of this country, not terrorists dedicated to killing as many Americans as they can. He needs to be convicted and sentenced to life in prison, sharing a cell with a pig.