Faith without works and proof is false faith.

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Faith without works and proof is false faith.

Scriptures, on the issue of works, contradict each other.
Some scriptures and Christian sects push the notion that faith alone in God is all that is required to earn heaven.

Some scriptures indicate that without works, living the theology and applying it to reality, that whatever faith we claim to have is useless and that those souls are lost.

The notion of being part of a community where individuals looked out for each other and shared whatever it had was the key and the only reason Christianity became the religion that it is today. I mean this in the sense or size only. In reality, Christianity no longer bases it’s theology and being saved on works.

Perhaps this is why the Church is so fragmented today and losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the population.

People usually do what they see as profitable in one way or another for themselves. Today, looking at Christianity, from inside or outside, the population does not see a profit in remaining in or joining Christianity due to this notion that faith is all that is required.

Without works, will Christianity die?
Do you have to live your faith or is faith without works and good deeds good enough?

What was it that James told Peter.
Demons have faith in God and it is likely stronger than man’s faith because they know for certain of God’s reality yet it does them no good. Faith, belief that is not based on proof, is thus useless.

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I think any moral code is worthless if it doesn't require good deeds or at least the avoidance of bad deeds. But James lost all credibility with me when he used Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac as an example of a good deed. With good deeds like that, I'd hate to see James' bad deeds.
 

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I think any moral code is worthless if it doesn't require good deeds or at least the avoidance of bad deeds. But James lost all credibility with me when he used Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac as an example of a good deed. With good deeds like that, I'd hate to see James' bad deeds.

Genesis 22: 1-14

Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac though. He was willing to do so as a sign of obedience and faith. However, God did not want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and when Abraham was getting ready to do so, an angel called down to Abraham and ordered him to stop. God was testing Abraham's heart. God blessed Abraham abundantly for that act of faithful obedience.
 

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Genesis 22: 1-14

Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac though. He was willing to do so as a sign of obedience and faith. However, God did not want Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and when Abraham was getting ready to do so, an angel called down to Abraham and ordered him to stop. God was testing Abraham's heart. God blessed Abraham abundantly for that act of faithful obedience.

Regardless. Any man that will listen to a voice in his head and is willing to kill for a God of love, must be considered insane.

All in the name of obedience to a slave master. How pathetic for a human mind.

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Regardless. Any man that will listen to a voice in his head and is willing to kill for a God of love, must be considered insane.

All in the name of obedience to a slave master. How pathetic for a human mind.

As intelligent as you write and quote the Bible, sometimes I wonder.

Isaac ( which means laughter by the way) was a gift from God to Abraham and his wife who had no children.

Ironic in some ways considering what happened to Gods own son.
 

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Regardless. Any man that will listen to a voice in his head and is willing to kill for a God of love, must be considered insane.

All in the name of obedience to a slave master. How pathetic for a human mind.

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In the O.T., God and angels spoke audibly to people. So it may not have just been a voice in his head, thus clearing him of an insanity plea.
 

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As intelligent as you write and quote the Bible, sometimes I wonder.

Isaac ( which means laughter by the way) was a gift from God to Abraham and his wife who had no children.

Ironic in some ways considering what happened to Gods own son.

Yes. You are comparing a true sacrifice, Isaac, with a self aggrandizing suicide.

Quite a difference.

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I still don't get how Jesus being crucified cleared the sin slate

I am pleased that you have a problem in trying or wanting to take advantage and profit from the murder of an innocent man.

This already makes your moral position better than most Christians.

It is also not biblical or moral to do so.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

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Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac though. He was willing to do so as a sign of obedience and faith.

Abraham is folklore. We'll never really know what he did or didn't do or even if he existed. What is much more important is what James thought about Abraham. James considered what Abraham did the same as sacrificing his son and thought it was a good deed.

You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. - James 2:20-22
I agree with James that Abraham basically sacrificed his son. I disagree with him that sacrificing your son is a good deed. I'll say it again. With good deeds like that, I'd hate to see James' bad deeds.

In the O.T., God and angels spoke audibly to people. So it may not have just been a voice in his head, thus clearing him of an insanity plea.

O.T.? Schizophrenics say God and angels speak audibly to them today.

Your argument goes something like this. Abraham was sane and heard God's voice. This proves sane people can hear God's voice. Therefore Abraham was sane. lol
 
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Abraham is folklore. We'll never really know what he did or didn't do or even if he existed. What is much more important is what James thought about Abraham. James considered what Abraham did the same as sacrificing his son and thought it was a good deed.

I agree with James that Abraham basically sacrificed his son. I disagree with him that sacrificing your son is a good deed. I'll say it again. With good deeds like that, I'd hate to see James' bad deeds.



O.T.? Schizophrenics say God and angels speak audibly to them today.

Your argument goes something like this. Abraham was sane and heard God's voice. This proves sane people can hear God's voice. Therefore Abraham was sane. lol

LOL...ok.
 
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