Evil and Sane or Evil and Insane or Just Insane?

[redliner]

You'd care if you were accused and innocent. There are other cases that are not air tight where innocent people have been incarcerated or executed.

If there is a video of you shooting people that is enough proof for me.

 

[Maulds]

In response to the OP: Evil and Sane

 

[Mercury]

This is really a good question ... what "sane" person would commit such an act?

So what does a society do with such a person? Incarcerate in a prison system for life? Place him within psychiatric care until deemed healthy again to be released back into society? Execute him?

If I were some powerful leader who was appointed to make such a decision ... I would say execution. Not to try to deter anyone from doing the same thing as these types of crimes usually are done by someone who doesn't care what happens to them anyway. I would have him executed because he has surrendered his "rights" as a member of society. He obviously has no desire to remain part of society. Even if multiple psychologists concluded that he was "insane" and didn't fully understand his actions, that would suggest to me that he is an immense danger to society. The rights and safety of the innocent should always remain higher than the convicted.

This is just for this scenario ... might not be what I would think for other situations but for this one, I do.

 

[Minor Axis]

If there is a video of you shooting people that is enough proof for me.

You are missing the point. The purpose of "due process" is ensuring consistency when dealing with law breaking. What you are suggesting is fertile ground for abuse.

The legal definition of insanity

in·san·i·ty

   [in-san-i-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural in·san·i·ties.1...........



2.Law . such unsoundness of mind as frees one from legal responsibility, as for committing acrime, or as signals one's lack of legal capacity,as for entering into a contractual agreement.

I'd argue that this man's systematic approach to acquiring weapons and ammunition, his research and execution of how to manufacture improvised grenades and booby traps, his calculated attempt to arrange a diversion by luring his neighbours with loud music in an attempt to get them to trigger an explosion in his apartment, and his calculated decision to use smoke canisters to generate maximum cover and confusion, then disengage from his attack and surrender whilst wearing body armour would more than indicate that he was fully aware of what he was doing, what the potential hazards were, and how best to preserve his own skin. These are not the actions of a madman.
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Being able to sort out details and make a comprehensive plan does not ensure the person is sane. Think of "mad scientist".

This is really a good question ... what "sane" person would commit such an act?

So what does a society do with such a person? Incarcerate in a prison system for life? Place him within psychiatric care until deemed healthy again to be released back into society? Execute him?

If I were some powerful leader who was appointed to make such a decision ... I would say execution. Not to try to deter anyone from doing the same thing as these types of crimes usually are done by someone who doesn't care what happens to them anyway. I would have him executed because he has surrendered his "rights" as a member of society. He obviously has no desire to remain part of society. Even if multiple psychologists concluded that he was "insane" and didn't fully understand his actions, that would suggest to me that he is an immense danger to society. The rights and safety of the innocent should always remain higher than the convicted.

This is just for this scenario ... might not be what I would think for other situations but for this one, I do.

For this level of destruction, I can't argue that execution would be unfair.
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[Dana]

If this was planned, than thought went into this, do you have to be sane to plan out something like this?

 

[Minor Axis]

If this was planned, than thought went into this, do you have to be sane to plan out something like this?

I say no.

 

[The Man]

The guy is a nut,insane etc...does this excuse his act..not in this case as had the mental capacity to be aware of what he was doing/IMO
But then can one be of sound mind and carry a huge enough emotional handicap to commit such crimes? apparently so.

I dont offer this as an excuse for the guy...I wouldnt piss down his throat if he was dieing of thirst /am just pointing out he has some very deep issues
What he done was evil.........if the fucker manages to pull off an insanity plea somehow..he is one of the sanest fuckers in modern history

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If I knew what the DSM manual was, I might. If I cared what the DSM manual was, I might Google it to find out.

 

[Accountable]

Clinically insane and legally not guilty due to insanity are two different definitions. Each state creates its own legal definition.

 

[Joe the meek]

Clinically insane and legally not guilty due to insanity are two different definitions. Each state creates its own legal definition.

True.

However, if I have a medical condition I want to look at, I'd prefer to go to a doctor over a lawyer.

 

[darkcgi]

I say let the people and family of the people that suffered from this shooting have him
and dispose of him

 

[Joe the meek]

I say let the people and family of the people that suffered from this shooting have him
and dispose of him

And what would it say of our society if we did that and the victims families showed mercy upon him?

 

[darkcgi]

Then that would be their will and justice.
They at worst would kill him
they at best would try to reform him
same as our system

 

[porterjack]

Then that would be their will and justice.
They at worst would kill him
they at best would try to reform him
same as our system

So you allow Them to sin to avenge sin

 

[darkcgi]

No not really he needs to be tried in front of non bias people
with all evidence exposed and hear his story and then pass judgement to best help him and our people at the same time

 

[porterjack]

No not really he needs to be tried in front of non bias people
with all evidence exposed and hear his story and then pass judgement to best help him and our people at the same time

Oh
So they play judge and jury but within the existing rules

 

[Minor Axis]

If anyone harbors simplistic views of "right vs wrong" see this article: What A Killer Thinks? in the Aug 6, 2012 Newsweek. After I read this article I realized there is an argument for illness. Now society has to think about what they want to do about it.

 

[Francis]

No not really he needs to be tried in front of non bias people

You do realize there is no such thing as a non bias person.. We are all bias in some way..