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robedwards99

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Should euthansia be made legal? What terms would you think appropriate in selecting suitable candidates?

Should a person have the right to request their own death? or for example should you have the choice to pull the plug on a dying parent if they were past the point of return?
 
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JMilley

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well if you can commit suicide any time why shouldn't euthanasia be illegal? besides if you are hopeless anyways (like if both of your feet are cut off. real story; in short both of the feet were off by a train and she lived 3 days before death) you might as well die already and don't bother suffering.
 

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I think a person has the right to choose death over suffering,

as for pulling the plug on a parent, that is a hard one, but if they are far beyond the point, for some it would seem the humane thing to do, should it be allowed, I think it already is, family has the right to choose if the person is considered legally dead, or will never improve, and that is the only point they should have the right to make that decision for another.
 

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I'm not sure how the law stands in the states and canada but this is how it is here...

Euthanasia and the law

What is the law on deliberate euthanasia in Britain and other European states?


Ursula Smartt, senior lecturer in law at Thames Valley University in West London, explains.

Apart from in The Netherlands, euthanasia is against the law, and classed as a criminal act.

Euthanasia is popularly taken to mean the practice of helping severely-ill people die, either at their request or by taking the decision to withdraw life support.

The definition under Dutch law is narrower - it means the termination of life by a doctor at the express and voluntary wish of a patient.

Since the Dutch Supreme Court declared in 1984 that voluntary euthanasia is acceptable, the law allows a standard defence from doctors if they have adhered to ten clearly defined official guidelines and conditions.

Intentions

These hinge on the intentions of the person wanting to die, on the request and whether or not the suffering is relievable.

It is not a condition that the patient is terminally ill or that the suffering is physical. Citizens from other countries are not eligible for euthanasia in Holland.

Other European countries do not allow euthanasia even if a patient wants to die - as a matter of public policy, the victim's consent does not provide a defence in the UK.

Deliberate euthanasia would normally leave anyone assisting liable for murder, though liability can be reduced to manslaughter on the basis of diminished responsibility.

Within English law, a difference is made between acting and refraining to act.

Withdrawing care

Passive euthanasia is when treatment to which the patient has not consented is ended. A landmark ruling came in the 1993 Bland case.

Anthony Bland was a 17-year-old left severely brain damaged after the 1989 Hillsborough Football Stadium disaster.

His parents and the hospital authority concerned sought permission from the High Court to withdraw the artificial nutrition and hydration that was keeping him alive. The High Court and the House of Lords agreed.

Active euthanasia occurs when treatment is administered with the intention of ending the patient's life.

In a 1985 trial known as Dr Arthur's Case, a Down's syndrome baby, John Pearson, was rejected by the mother soon after birth.

Dr Arthur, a highly respected paediatrician, prescribed a sedative designed to stop the child seeking sustenance.

The child was given water but no food, and died just over two days after birth.

Dr Arthur said in a statement that the purpose of the drug was to reduce suffering.

Murder charge

The case revolved around whether the doctor should let the severely-ill baby die of natural causes, in this case an ill-formed intestine, or allow him to die painlessly

Initially, Dr Arthur was charged with murder by poisoning - later the charge was reduced to attempted murder.

The prosecution argued that though there was no intentional murder, the doctor had declined to operate to save the child's life and the child should have been left to die of natural causes.

Instead, the doctor had administered a drug which had caused the eventual death of the child.

Professor Campbell, an expert witness at the trial, argued: "There is an important difference between allowing a child to die and taking action to kill it."

Dr Arthur was acquitted by the jury at Leicester Crown Court. It was decided that he had not committed the act of 'positive euthanasia', he had merely prescribed a drug, which had resulted in the peaceful death of the child.

There have been so far only a few court cases revolving around the question of euthanasia. The true extent of how many people are helped to die is far from clear.

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I think this is a question of choice. People have the rigth to choose the way the want to live and the way they want to die. It is true that maybe I wouldn't do it if I had to choose, but I am nobody to decide over other person's life
 

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I believe that euthanasia on request should be legalized.

Why is it that accross the world, abortion is legal (where a woman takes the decision to kill a baby without that child's consent), but helping a sick, suffering senior citizen is murder?
 

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Butterfly said:
I believe that euthanasia on request should be legalized.

Why is it that accross the world, abortion is legal (where a woman takes the decision to kill a baby without that child's consent), but helping a sick, suffering senior citizen is murder?

seems you are against abortion.

But you are right, I don't understand why abortion is legal and euthanasia is not.
 

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The only response I have to this topic is Terri Schiavo.....all people should have the right not only to choose their own "quality" of life and lack of suffering but should have the options of choosing these things for their spouses, parents, children, etc.......
 

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There is only one person who owns your life & you should have the right to do whatever you want with it - yes, even suicide, we call it euthanasia if you want to make it sound merciful.

There are way too many laws & rules that we have to live by & many of them are based on beliefs that are not held by me or by lots of other people.

I think that if you took out religion the only bad thing about about suicide is those that are left behind.

I am sick & certainly don't want to spend my last days hooked up to a million machines, but I'm also not in any hurry to die.

Allan
 

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i live in oregon, where physician assisted suicide is legal

if you qualify under the guidelines a doctor can prescribe you medication which can out you to sleep, however, a doctor cannot inject you or do it himself because than can be charged with murder. The patient has to be the one to take the prescription on their own time.
 

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Maritxu said:
Butterfly said:
I believe that euthanasia on request should be legalized.

Why is it that accross the world, abortion is legal (where a woman takes the decision to kill a baby without that child's consent), but helping a sick, suffering senior citizen is murder?

seems you are against abortion.

But you are right, I don't understand why abortion is legal and euthanasia is not.

the reason abortion is legal is because its *supposed* to be done in the first trimester, at that point the baby is not living as it is still a part of the mother, its own organs are not developed therefore it is not considered a living thing in itself. An adult functions on its own and its organs are developed, therefore it is considered a living thing.
 

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Butterfly said:
I believe that euthanasia on request should be legalized.

Why is it that accross the world, abortion is legal (where a woman takes the decision to kill a baby without that child's consent), but helping a sick, suffering senior citizen is murder?

The thing here is... that child isn't capable of giving consent. While in the womb, any child is still called a fetus. it is not a person if it cannot survive outside of it's mother on it's own.

(Yes I'm aware that newborns need constant attention, but putting normal parenting duties aside)
 

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In some places suicide itself is illegal, because the sociologist-defined meaning of a "crime" is "any act that is detrimental to society." Now any act detrimental to society falls true for most crimes in most societies, and in Western cultures, keeping active members of society is the number one priority. Having people alive and contributing to a society raises tax revenue for the society, substains a hinderence to crime delopment and supports reproduction into the society. Ideally, a growing and self-supported society would be a unified global one, but regionalized societies are usually what makes up a state or nation.

So by analyzing the definition of what is a crime and what is not, a person who can no longer contribute to society by 1) reproducing, 2) financially supporting oneself and one's host society, or 3) preventing crimes not only should have the right to, but has the duty to have euthenasia inflicted upon them.
 

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And in some states if you attempt suicide and Fail, You can actually ( though not often due to the success rate) be charged with Attempted Murder, a tactic most used to be able to force you into mental health care beyond the limited 48 hour hold.
 

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the reason abortion is legal is because its *supposed* to be done in the first trimester, at that point the baby is not living as it is still a part of the mother, its own organs are not developed therefore it is not considered a living thing in itself. An adult functions on its own and its organs are developed, therefore it is considered a living thing.

I understand your point but abortion and euthanasia are a quiestion of choice and that's why I believe they are similar and should be legal
 

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Maritxu said:
the reason abortion is legal is because its *supposed* to be done in the first trimester, at that point the baby is not living as it is still a part of the mother, its own organs are not developed therefore it is not considered a living thing in itself. An adult functions on its own and its organs are developed, therefore it is considered a living thing.

I understand your point but abortion and euthanasia are a quiestion of choice and that's why I believe they are similar and should be legal

A choice that does not benefit society is a crime. People can chose to rob convenience stores, but that does not make it legal.
 

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AtlanticBlue99 said:
Maritxu said:
the reason abortion is legal is because its *supposed* to be done in the first trimester, at that point the baby is not living as it is still a part of the mother, its own organs are not developed therefore it is not considered a living thing in itself. An adult functions on its own and its organs are developed, therefore it is considered a living thing.

I understand your point but abortion and euthanasia are a quiestion of choice and that's why I believe they are similar and should be legal

A choice that does not benefit society is a crime. People can chose to rob convenience stores, but that does not make it legal.

Lol! so if I choose to fart I am comiting a crime?
 

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Maritxu said:
AtlanticBlue99 said:
Maritxu said:
the reason abortion is legal is because its *supposed* to be done in the first trimester, at that point the baby is not living as it is still a part of the mother, its own organs are not developed therefore it is not considered a living thing in itself. An adult functions on its own and its organs are developed, therefore it is considered a living thing.

I understand your point but abortion and euthanasia are a quiestion of choice and that's why I believe they are similar and should be legal

A choice that does not benefit society is a crime. People can chose to rob convenience stores, but that does not make it legal.

Lol! so if I choose to fart I am comiting a crime?

How does that negatively affect society?
 

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I think some of you missed what I was trying to say wrt abortion vs euthenasia...

Yes, a feotus(we won't argue the issue of when life starts) can not survive without it's mother, it however does not have a choice in the matter. But, the mother can choose to have it 'destroyed'... a life taken, no matter if it could support itself or not.

If that is legal, why then should a bedridden 90 year old who is dependant on other people for even the simplest of his bodily functions, but still has his mental capabilities, not be allowed to make the decision of death for himself. Why is it, that even though he actually is capable of a choice, he is denied that right?
 

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I think that if the person has nothing left to contribute to the prosperity of society, death is not only a choice, but it is a responsibility and duty.
 
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