EU To Lift Sanctions Against Cuba

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EU to lift sanctions against Cuba
The European Union is to lift sanctions imposed on Cuba in 2003 in protest at the imprisonment of more than 70 Cuban dissidents by the Castro government.
"Cuban sanctions will be lifted," EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner said at the end of the first day of an EU summit in Brussels.
The sanctions were suspended in 2005 but not completely removed.
Their definitive removal is largely symbolic but still a success for Raul Castro's new government, analysts say.
The decades-old US trade embargo against Cuba remains in place.
Earlier, the US state department said it hoped the EU sanctions would not be lifted because there had not been "any kind of fundamental break" with communism as practiced under Fidel Castro.
'Important reforms'
The original sanctions imposed by the European Union five years ago included a limit on high-level government visits and the participation of EU diplomats in cultural events in Cuba.
Most European embassies also invited prominent Cuban dissidents to receptions as a protest against the country's human rights record.
Relations improved in 2005, but the measures were not completely removed.
Since Raul Castro in effect took over from his brother, Fidel, nearly two years ago, Spain in particular has pressed hard for a complete removal of the sanctions in the light of what it sees as important reforms in Cuba.
Other countries like Sweden, and in particular the Czech Republic, believe the changes are mainly cosmetic, especially in the area of human rights.
In practice, the EU sanctions are largely symbolic. Unlike the US embargo which has been in force since 1962, they do not amount to any restriction on trade or investment.
Moreover, in recent years, and particularly under Raul Castro, the Cuban government has diversified its international relations.
Venezuela, which supplies billions of dollars worth of oil in exchange for Cuban doctors, and China, which buys considerable amounts of Cuba's nickel, are much more important trading partners than Europe.

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Good! A step in the right direction, now if only the US would lift the rediculous trade embargo!
 
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I did not know that EU had sanctions against Cuba. Guess they were about as effective as the idiotic on the US has imposed. Gotta love the morons who run this country. And the idiots who elected them. and guess what. we are gonna have more of the same regardless of which twit gets elected this november.
 

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If the U.S. had been smart we would have lifted sanctions about 20 years ago and inundated them with our corporations...
 

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No idea but I dont see too many governments putting trade embargos on the USA for keeping political prisoners, ironically enough, in Cuba, without charge.
That's not the point Pete. If the EU says "You imprisoned these people so we're putting embargoes on you" and then arbitrarily removes them later without the prisoners being released, the EU loses credibility. If you say you're going to do something you need to do it. What happens the next time they want to take a stand, will anyone take them seriously?
 

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Point taken, I think this has more to do with the hope of Raul being a bit more relaxed than Fidel and moves have got to be seen on both sides, time will tell but at least the EU can be seen to be making positive steps.
 

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So what do you describe the prisoners who havent been charged with anything in Guentanamo bay then?

They are all suspect high level blood thirsty terrorists. That's enough for Fox... so what if they were deprived legal council in the hearing to determine if they were enemy combatants? Don't confuse him with details that don't support his case or put any doubt on their guilt.
 

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Terrorists, murderers--take your pick. Political prisoners are prisoners held based on their political beliefs. Prisoners held in GB are held based on their illegal acts of violence.

That's a huge assumption seeing the amount who have been released without charge and the amount who haven't been charged with anything.
 

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Should be enough for you too, but your judgment is so clouded by AB disease that you'd prefer we release murders if holding them can be used as political fodder.

I say this with good intentions, your full of it. :) <- smily to ease the tension... Your just so SURE there's nothing wrong with detaining people indefinitely because some source told you every thing is just fine, don't worry, they are all guilty, we don't make mistakes. Talk about being a lemming.
 

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And all the hundreds who haven't been charged with anything?

I honestly don't see your sweeping assumption about them all being murderers, terrorist ect holds much water.
 

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EU to lift sanctions against Cuba
The European Union is to lift sanctions imposed on Cuba in 2003 in protest at the imprisonment of more than 70 Cuban dissidents by the Castro government.
"Cuban sanctions will be lifted," EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner said at the end of the first day of an EU summit in Brussels.
The sanctions were suspended in 2005 but not completely removed.
Their definitive removal is largely symbolic but still a success for Raul Castro's new government, analysts say.

That's good news. Pity it doesn't amount to much.

If the U.S. had been smart we would have lifted sanctions about 20 years ago and inundated them with our corporations...

Ditto.

It's about time those embargoes were lifted. The longer they are not lifted is the more they will seek support from others and vice versa.
 

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That cuts against your argument. They were released precisely because they were not charged.

Erm, that was the point I was making. :unsure: Really don't see how that cuts against my argument, they wern't charged so therefore you assumption that they are murderers and terrorists looks very feeble.
 

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And of course ALL PRISONERS IN ANY SYSTEM ARE HELD FOR SOME PERIOD WITHOUT CHARGE--ABSOLUTELY ALL The only issue is how long they are held without charges. And its not different at GB. You simply are not understanding what's actually happening.

Wrong. Prisoners on remand in the normal course of law are charged before they are sent to prison to await trial and sentencing. Over here, the police can only detain you for up to 48hours without charging you, vast difference between that and the years these prisoners are detained without charge.
 

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Peter--take a look at this--its the BBC so I assume you'll trust it--it does a pretty good job at summarizing the issues:

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Q&A: Guantanamo detentions

Frist--prisoners at GB ALL are charged. They all would get full blow evidentiary trials in military tribunals.

Now--the issue that arose over the recent SC case was the right to Habeas corpus, which has been way overblown and misunderstood in the media. Let's look at the US right which comes from Article 9 of he Constitution:

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."

That last part--"cases of rebellion or invasion" is why it doesn't (or shouldn't) apply to suspected foriegn terrorists.

Here is a short description:

Habeas Corpus Defined and Explained



I'm not going to get into all the legalities of habeas corpus, but suffice to say we have hundreds of thousands of prisoners here in the US and they don't all have a right to habeas corpus. And here is why:



That's why there was such a stinging dissent over this issue in that recent SC case because never in the 200 year history of the US have POWs or "unlawful combatants" been given the right to habeas corpus--NEVER. Obviously, its easy to see how it would never have worked during WWII--how in the world could you give everyone held in US custody in WWII that right? There weren't enough court resources to do that and the right was never intended by the Framers to apply to foriegn insurrection against the US.


Once again I have to admit the Mulder impresses.

Bravo.
 
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