Does God accept bribes, ransoms, indulgences and sacrifice of Jesus?

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Does God accept bribes, ransoms, indulgences and sacrifice of Jesus?

Eze 18 20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psa 49 7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Man has worked hard to try to put in place a system of justice where the guilty pay for their crimes/sin and the innocent go free. This actually seems to follow the scriptures above and if you are doing unto others what you would like done to you, then you will applaud our present legal forms.

God on the other hand, and those theists that want to ride their scapegoat Jesus as a sacrifice for their sins and not step up to their responsibilities, seem to prefer to have the innocent punished and let the guilty walk.

Scripture says that God cannot be bribed and will not accept a ransom of an innocent party to redeem another. Yet that is exactly what God is said to have done when he intentionally had his son murdered. Some call it a sacrifice. God wanting or needing a blood sacrifice also goes completely against scriptures but he and his followers don‘t seem to know that.

The other bribes or ransoms that God seems to accept are indulgences given by the church and were ironically what created the reformation movement and sects that now somehow embrace that immoral notion. Martin Luther must be spinning in his grave. I will grant that that practice is not as widespread as it once was, but to me, the idea that a man can sin against another man, and by just placing a few $$$ in a church strong box without even having to seek forgiveness from his victim, and expect with church guarantee a shorter stay in purgatory, is just too immoral for me.

All these bribes, ransoms and indulgences are for the forgiveness of sins.
His murder or sacrifice of his son is for the same reason and also has the innocent being punished while the guilty go free.

As the great law maker and executor of justice, do you think it moral for God to accept and demand such instead of making the guilty pay and letting the innocent live?

Secular law generally follows the bible’s idea of justice, in many cases, as shown in the verses above. Should secular law reverse itself and follow God’s ideas of justice instead in accepting bribes, ransoms and sacrifices of innocent men?

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I will reserve my response @ PTF.
I know you posted this thread there as well as other forums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN7Xs9WVNBU

You should comment here regardless.Not for me but for thr posters and lurkers who may be interested in knowing your views whatever they are regardless of other locations. Actually, you are better off with a reply here than there seems like.

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no

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Come on, ask me something hard. ;)

Seems damned hard for theists to give such a clear concise and reasoned response.

I have to KIS for them and still they cannot dither anything out.

Then again, it is not their mental powers that are lacking. it is their being able to put their dogma aside and actually think for themselves.

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I don't know about God, but many of the self appointed representatives on Earth seem not to have a problem with it. The entire story of God sacrificing his son Jesus to fix the sins of mankind is a really hard sell to anyone who wants to take a few minutes to independently consider the premise.

I will reserve my response @ PTF.
I know you posted this thread there as well as other forums.

What bearing does this have on the validity of the discussion?
 
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What bearing does this have on the validity of the discussion?

I agree. Every once in awhile someone criticizes GIA for posting the same thing on multiple sites. I don't know what is suppose to be wrong with that. Maybe it's like sex. Have sex with one woman and that's fine. Have sex with multiple women and you're wretched. ;)
 

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If I were a God, I would try and see how much I could get my followers to believe and actually do without question... I imagine they get bored.
 

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Does God accept bribes, ransoms, indulgences and sacrifice of Jesus?

Eze 18 20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psa 49 7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Man has worked hard to try to put in place a system of justice where the guilty pay for their crimes/sin and the innocent go free. This actually seems to follow the scriptures above and if you are doing unto others what you would like done to you, then you will applaud our present legal forms.

God on the other hand, and those theists that want to ride their scapegoat Jesus as a sacrifice for their sins and not step up to their responsibilities, seem to prefer to have the innocent punished and let the guilty walk.

Scripture says that God cannot be bribed and will not accept a ransom of an innocent party to redeem another. Yet that is exactly what God is said to have done when he intentionally had his son murdered. Some call it a sacrifice. God wanting or needing a blood sacrifice also goes completely against scriptures but he and his followers don‘t seem to know that.

The other bribes or ransoms that God seems to accept are indulgences given by the church and were ironically what created the reformation movement and sects that now somehow embrace that immoral notion. Martin Luther must be spinning in his grave. I will grant that that practice is not as widespread as it once was, but to me, the idea that a man can sin against another man, and by just placing a few $$$ in a church strong box without even having to seek forgiveness from his victim, and expect with church guarantee a shorter stay in purgatory, is just too immoral for me.

All these bribes, ransoms and indulgences are for the forgiveness of sins.
His murder or sacrifice of his son is for the same reason and also has the innocent being punished while the guilty go free.

As the great law maker and executor of justice, do you think it moral for God to accept and demand such instead of making the guilty pay and letting the innocent live?

Secular law generally follows the bible’s idea of justice, in many cases, as shown in the verses above. Should secular law reverse itself and follow God’s ideas of justice instead in accepting bribes, ransoms and sacrifices of innocent men?

Regards
DL


i read this and i think...."religious paradox", ...kinda like the death penalty....an eye for an eye, but only god can grant or take away life....old testament(wrathful/vengeful god)new testament (he loves you unconditionally,...but if you dont listen ,your going to hell to suffer for eternity) etc.

the only conclusion i've come to is that if there is a god...god is a female, because only a woman either on a permanent period or constant menopause could change her mind that many times, and get people so confused and stirred up, hurt etc. ...and still want you to love them unconditionally and listen to and follow everything they say, insists on being right, then sit back and watch it all without talking to you and still think everything is hunky dory :willy_nilly:


.....and trying to apply logic and reason to things like this are why people spontaneously combust :D
 

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I agree. Every once in awhile someone criticizes GIA for posting the same thing on multiple sites. I don't know what is suppose to be wrong with that. Maybe it's like sex. Have sex with one woman and that's fine. Have sex with multiple women and you're wretched. ;)

It is easier to criticize irrelevances than to refute much of what I say.

You should read some of the shit my poor avatar must endure because my ideas are beyond attack.

I know I have done well when this happens.

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i read this and i think...."religious paradox", ...kinda like the death penalty....an eye for an eye, but only god can grant or take away life....old testament(wrathful/vengeful god)new testament (he loves you unconditionally,...but if you dont listen ,your going to hell to suffer for eternity) etc.

the only conclusion i've come to is that if there is a god...god is a female, because only a woman either on a permanent period or constant menopause could change her mind that many times, and get people so confused and stirred up, hurt etc. ...and still want you to love them unconditionally and listen to and follow everything they say, insists on being right, then sit back and watch it all without talking to you and still think everything is hunky dory :willy_nilly:


.....and trying to apply logic and reason to things like this are why people spontaneously combust :D

Well said.
I would not dare center women out though and since most religions are man made, I would say it was all the fault of bi-polar men.

Regards
DL
 

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i read this and i think...."religious paradox", ...kinda like the death penalty....an eye for an eye, but only god can grant or take away life....old testament(wrathful/vengeful god)new testament (he loves you unconditionally,...but if you dont listen ,your going to hell to suffer for eternity) etc.

the only conclusion i've come to is that if there is a god...god is a female, because only a woman either on a permanent period or constant menopause could change her mind that many times, and get people so confused and stirred up, hurt etc. ...and still want you to love them unconditionally and listen to and follow everything they say, insists on being right, then sit back and watch it all without talking to you and still think everything is hunky dory :willy_nilly:


.....and trying to apply logic and reason to things like this are why people spontaneously combust :D

:popcorn2: and waiting while moving out of the way...

Well said? LOL.
 
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