Darwin the racist

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mclovin1 said:
No it wasn't taken out of context. Darwin put dark skinned humans in the same category as animals.
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No.....I gave linkage that refutes that claim.

Here is where that previous link winds up with a discussion of the issue:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part4.html#DarwinRaceQuotes

The full quote as opposed to the edited one in this thread:
The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, from general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks often occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies -- between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridae -- between the elephant, and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and all other mammals. But these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. (Darwin, The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex. 2nd edn., London, John Murray, 1882, p. 156, which can be found at The writings of Charles Darwin on the web.)
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Anyone interested to reading what that means can read the explanation here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part4.html#DarwinRaceQuotes

What it isn't is racist.
What he noted was that the concept of civilization was a means of advancing the success of a species. He was addressing the variations within our species.
And recent history proves this.
As elements of less civilized cultures/primitives embraced the advantages that civilization , and thus technology, brought, so has their station in life improved and their identity survived.
The success of those that reject civilization obviously do not fair as well.

So I suggest you read up on the subject before making such absurd claims.
 
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That's not what Darwin was talking about at all. Obviously this article was taken from an atheist apologetics site.
 
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sirjake said:
That's not what Darwin was talking about at all. Obviously this article was taken from an atheist apologetics site.
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That's not what Darwin was talking about at all.
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I've proven it with the unedited quote.


Obviously this article was taken from an atheist apologetics site.
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It makes no difference where you get it only that you get the whole works so that the context can be determined correctly.
And that is easy to do in this case.
In this case, I refer to the 1882 printing of Darwin's The Decent of Man where this quote originates....in it's entirety and the context I've presented.
Go to page 156 and you will see the full quote:
http://darwin-online.org.uk/pdf/1882_Descent_F955.pdf

You just got that from the book Darwin wrote.

Looks like your unfounded opinion isn't worth shit.
 
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No doubt some fundamentalist with 3 brain cells that won't line up will be along in the near future to refute that :rolleyes:



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Some here are just trying to explain away Darwin's racism but it is there. If somebody made hiis claims today they would be labeled a racist for sure. Anyone who has read any of Darwin's work at all can see the racism there. He called anyone with dark skin a savage. Darwin even made the statement he would rather have descended directly from monkeys and baboons than savages. He didn't like the thought of being somehow related to dark skinned humans. That is racist.
 
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That is a good point. I'm sure there is nothing but stupid comments and noise from those who disagree with you. I am so glad I started my ignore list.
 
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mclovin1 said:
Some here are just trying to explain away Darwin's racism but it is there. If somebody made hiis claims today they would be labeled a racist for sure. Anyone who has read any of Darwin's work at all can see the racism there. He called anyone with dark skin a savage. Darwin even made the statement he would rather have descended directly from monkeys and baboons than savages. He didn't like the thought of being somehow related to dark skinned humans. That is racist.
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How in the world are you going to convince people that Darwin was an evil racist when you are obviously disingenuous to the point you deny what Darwin actually wrote?
Christians are supposed to argue for the conversion to Christianity but at the same time not spread falsehoods.
Personally, I think this is the line that separates many fundamentalists from Christianity and why I seldom refer to Creation Science and Intelligent Design supporters as Christians.
You fundies can't be brothers in Christ by intentionally spreading the hatred that Christ taught us to reject. You'd be addressing the issue with facts and logic, not the hate I've been seeing you spew.

Bug or whoever the hell you guys are, you're not Christians, you're simply trolls.
 
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