Conflicting Thoughts

[SilentEyz]

Is it what we think that changes how we feel, Or is it how we feel that changes how we think?
Does our thoughts change as our feelings change, Or does a change in the way we think change the way we feel?

 

[andcuriouser]

In Buddhism, there are "mudras". They're basically symbols you make with your hands that supposedly evoke a certain state of mind. The symbol for "peace" would make you feel peaceful, etc. That's the whole theory that you can change how you feel by your movements and thoughts. So, in that way, our thoughts change our feelings.

But as the sufferer of an anxiety disorder, it can often feel the other way around. There are no thoughts that create a feeling of intense anxiety, but once in that state it's hard to think of much else.

It can go either way, I think.

 

[elluko]

Is it what we think that changes how we feel, Or is it how we feel that changes how we think?
Does our thoughts change as our feelings change, Or does a change in the way we think change the way we feel?

You lost me.

 

[Sam]

The naming is unfortunately a bit archaic as thinking is more than thought, and feeling is not about being over-emotional or fluffy.
They are about how we decide: through logic or through considering people.
Thinking

Thinkers decide based primarily on logic, and when they do so, they consider a decision to be made. They tend to see the world in black and white and dislike fuzziness.
Perhaps because people are so variable, they focus on tangible things, seeking truth and use of clear rules.
At work, they are task-oriented, seek to create clear value. Interacting with them tends to brief and business-like.
They may be seen as cold and heartless by Feelers.

Feeling

Feelers decide based primarily through social considerations, listening to their heart and considering the feelings of others.
They see life as a human existence and material things as being subservient to this. They value harmony and use tact in their interactions with others.
At work, they are sociable and people-oriented and make many decisions based on values (more than value).
They may be seen as unreliable and emotional by Thinkers.
So what?

With thinkers:

• Be brief and concise.
• Be logical; don’t ramble with no apparent purpose.
• Be intellectually critical and objective.
• Be calm and reasonable.
• Don’t assume that feelings are unimportant; they may have a different value.
• Present feelings and emotions as additional facts to be weighed in a decision.

With feelers:

• Introduce yourself and get to know the person; full acceptance may take a considerable amount of time.
• Be personable and friendly.
• Demonstrate empathy by showing areas of agreement first.
• Show how the idea will affect people and what people’s reaction would be.
• Be aware that how you communicate is as important as what you’re communicating.
• Let them talk about personal impact; accept decisions that may not be based on facts.

 

[Sam]

It has been noticed that people have the capability to make decisions based on two very different sets of criteria: Thinking and Feeling. When someone makes a decision that is based on logic and reason, they are operating in Thinking mode. When someone makes a decision that is based on their value system, or what they believe to be right, they are operating in Feeling mode. We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems.


We are making decisions in the Thinking mode when we:

• Research a product via consumer reports, and buy the best one to meet our needs
• Do "The Right Thing", whether or not we like it
• Choose not to buy a blue shirt which we like, because we have two blue shirts
• Establish guidelines to follow for performing tasks

We are making decisions in the Feeling mode when we:

• Decide to buy something because we like it
• Refrain from telling someone something which we feel may upset them
• Decide not to take a job because we don't like the work environment
• Decide to move somewhere to be close to someone we care about

Some decisions are made entirely by Thinking or Feelings processes. Most decisions involve some Thinking and some Feeling. Decisions that we find most difficult are those in which we have conflicts between our Thinking and Feeling sides. In these situations, our dominant preference will take over. Decisions which we find easy to make and feel good about are usually a result of being in sync with both our Feeling and Thinking sides.

 

[Sam]

" will be back with more info. "

 

[elluko]

Whazzat playjerized?

 

[The_Rooks_Revenge]

I think people fuck up when they ry to place feelings above a thought. Sam had a great reply...but I choose to take a completely different approch.....You cant think without feeling and you cant feel without thinking...so why try to break it down further? Both contribute to eachother the same.
Sam is probably right on with the contemporary scientific theroy or thought. But what is the benefit of knowing that. As a human you have (inmy experience) to give equal lattitude to each...so why not let the 2 work together? and listen to each accordingly?


Sam...you are still the man bro lol.

 

[The_Rooks_Revenge]

SAMS QUOTE "We all use both modes for making decisions, but we put more trust into one mode or the other. A "Thinker" makes decisions in a rational, logical, impartial manner, based on what they believe to be fair and correct by pre-defined rules of behavior. A "Feeler" makes decisions on the individual case, in a subjective manner based on what they believe to be right within their own value systems". SAMS QUOTE

I think when qa man or woman doesnt use both symbiotically that social and political issues are taking their toll. A truly succsefull (spelling) man/woman and succsefull ( EXTREMELY OBJECTIVE TERM) Will mix personal morals and "pre defined rules of behavioior" to come to the right decision...

Sam you reamin on the top of my list...are you swinging to the left??

 

[Sam]

got it ROOKS : swinging to left

 

[The_Rooks_Revenge]

You know Sam..I already respect your opinion...but the sliding to the left....how did I pick it up so fast??? you are drenched with it lol.

 

[Sam]

lolz @ Rooks

 

[FaySing4Ward]

.. I think it's all about changing of Perspective.